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From: Sylwester Nawrocki <sylvester.nawrocki@gmail.com>
To: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	Sylwester Nawrocki <s.nawrocki@samsung.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Thomas Abraham <thomas.abraham@linaro.org>,
	Tomasz Figa <t.figa@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/14] media: add a V4L2 OF parser
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:12:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5075E4D7.4010706@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210102229200.31291@axis700.grange>

On 10/10/2012 10:32 PM, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
>>> We might actually not need that, it might be easier to handle the circular
>>> dependency problem from the other end. We could add a way (ioctl, sysfs, ...)
>>> to force a V4L2 bridge driver to release its subdevs. Once done, the subdev
>>> driver could be unloaded and/or the subdev device unregistered, which would
>>> release the resources used by the subdev, such as clocks. The bridge driver
>>> could then be unregistered.
>>
>> That sounds like an option. Perhaps it could be done by v4l2-core, e.g. a sysfs
>> entry could be registered for a media or video device if driver requests it.
>> I'm not sure if we should allow subdevs in "released" state, perhaps it's better
>> to just unregister subdevs entirely right away ?
> 
> What speaks against holding a clock reference only during streaming, or at
> least between open and close? Wouldn't that solve the problem naturally?
> Yes, after giving up your reference to a clock at close() and re-acquiring
> it at open() you will have to make sure the frequency hasn't change, resp.
> adjust it, but I don't see it as a huge problem, I don't think many users
> on embedded systems will compete for your camera master clock. And if they
> do, you have a different problem, IMHO;-)

I agree, normally nobody should touch these clocks except the subdev (or as of 
now the host) drivers. It depends on a sensor, video encoder, etc. how much it 
tolerates switching the clock on/off. I suppose it's best to acquire/release it
in .s_power callback, since only then the proper voltage supply, GPIO, clock 
enable/disable sequences could be ensured. I know those things are currently 
mostly ignored, but some sensors might be picky WRT their initialization/shutdown
sequences and it would be good to ensure these sequences are fully controllable 
by the sensor driver itsels, where the host's architecture allows that.

To summarize, I can't see how holding a clock only when a device is active
could cause any problems, in case of camera sensors. I'm not sure about other
devices, like e.g. tuners.

--

Regards,
Sylwester

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-10 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1348754853-28619-1-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
     [not found] ` <1348754853-28619-6-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
2012-10-01 21:37   ` [PATCH 05/14] media: add a V4L2 OF parser Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02  9:49     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-02 10:13       ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 11:04         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 10:41         ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 10:58           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:23             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:35               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 12:23               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 13:48                 ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 14:30                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 14:53                     ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:15                       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 15:41                         ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:53                           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 16:00                             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 13:22                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:18                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 16:50                           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 22:51                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-11 16:15                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 13:12                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 12:54                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:45                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 14:48                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 14:57                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 15:15                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-11 19:48                 ` Sakari Ailus
2012-10-13  0:16                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 18:30             ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 18:45               ` Mark Brown
2012-10-08  9:40               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-09 10:34                 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-09 11:00                   ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-10 13:25                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 20:23                       ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 20:32                         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 21:12                           ` Sylwester Nawrocki [this message]
2012-10-10 23:05                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 22:58                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:30             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 10:03   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 12:32 ` [PATCH 00/14] V4L2 DT support Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 14:41   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found] ` <1348754853-28619-5-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
2012-10-01 20:45   ` [PATCH 04/14] media: add V4L2 DT binding documentation Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 14:15   ` Rob Herring
2012-10-02 14:33     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-03 20:54       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-05  9:43         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:31           ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:37             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 20:00       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-08 21:00         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:14           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-09  9:21             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-09  9:29               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 15:10   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 15:41     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 16:02       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-08  7:58         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10  8:40           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10  8:51             ` Mark Brown
2012-10-10  9:21               ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10 10:46                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-08 20:12   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found] ` <1348754853-28619-11-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
2012-10-05 19:11   ` [PATCH 10/14] media: soc-camera: support OF cameras Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-08  8:37     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  9:28       ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2013-04-08  9:19   ` Barry Song
2013-04-08 11:21     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-08 11:49       ` Barry Song
     [not found] ` <1348754853-28619-8-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
2013-04-10 10:38   ` [PATCH 07/14] media: soc-camera: support deferred probing of clients Barry Song
2013-04-10 12:06     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 13:53       ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 13:56         ` Mark Brown
2013-04-10 14:00           ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:03         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 14:30           ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:43             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 15:02               ` Barry Song

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