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From: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
To: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, m.chehab@samsung.com,
	laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com, s.nawrocki@samsung.com,
	ismael.luceno@corp.bluecherry.net, pete@sensoray.com
Subject: Re: [REVIEWv2 PATCH 00/34] Add support for complex controls, use in solo/go7007
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:45:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5301DA57.1070905@xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140216201414.GS15635@valkosipuli.retiisi.org.uk>

On 02/16/2014 09:14 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:46:25AM +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>> This patch series adds support for complex controls (aka 'Properties') to
> 
> While the patchset extends the concept of extended controls by adding more
> data types, they should not be called "properties" since they are not. The
> defining aspect of "properties" is to be able to specify to which entity,
> sub-device, pad, video buffer queue, flash led etc. object the said property
> is related to. This is mostly orthogonal to what kind of data types the
> property could have.

For all practical purposes controls are properties. They are properties of
v4l2_subdev, v4l2_device, video_device or v4l2_fh. While we cannot at the moment
assign controls to other v4l2 objects, there is nothing that prevents us from
doing so.

> 
> There's just a single 32-bit reserved field in struct v4l2_ext_control so
> extending the current extended controls (S/G/TRY) interface is not an option
> to support properties. A new ABI (but not necessarily even if probably an
> API as well) would be needed in any case.

Why? I would use that remaining field: the top X bits define the object type
(e.g. PAD) and the lower bits are the object ID (pad number).

> 
> So for the time being I'd wish we continue to use the name "controls" even
> if the control type is not one of the traditional ones.

The cover letter is the only place where the term 'property' is used, mostly
to link into the 'property' discussion we had in the past. But it is a bad idea
to use the that term because they are traditionally called control in V4L2 land.

Mixing those names is just very confusing.

Regards,

	Hans

      reply	other threads:[~2014-02-17  9:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-10  8:46 [REVIEWv2 PATCH 00/34] Add support for complex controls, use in solo/go7007 Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 01/34] v4l2-ctrls: increase internal min/max/step/def to 64 bit Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 02/34] v4l2-ctrls: add unit string Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 03/34] v4l2-ctrls: use pr_info/cont instead of printk Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 04/34] videodev2.h: add initial support for complex controls Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 05/34] videodev2.h: add struct v4l2_query_ext_ctrl and VIDIOC_QUERY_EXT_CTRL Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 06/34] v4l2-ctrls: add support for complex types Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 07/34] v4l2: integrate support for VIDIOC_QUERY_EXT_CTRL Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 08/34] v4l2-ctrls: create type_ops Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 10:55   ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2014-02-12 11:36     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 12:03       ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2014-02-12 12:31         ` Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 13:03           ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 09/34] v4l2-ctrls: rewrite copy routines to operate on union v4l2_ctrl_ptr Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 10/34] v4l2-ctrls: compare values only once Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 11/34] v4l2-ctrls: prepare for matrix support: add cols & rows fields Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 12/34] v4l2-ctrls: replace cur by a union v4l2_ctrl_ptr Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 13/34] v4l2-ctrls: use 'new' to access pointer controls Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 14/34] v4l2-ctrls: prepare for matrix support Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 15/34] v4l2-ctrls: type_ops can handle matrix elements Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 16/34] v4l2-ctrls: add matrix support Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 17/34] v4l2-ctrls: return elem_size instead of strlen Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 18/34] v4l2-ctrl: fix error return of copy_to/from_user Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 19/34] DocBook media: document VIDIOC_QUERY_EXT_CTRL Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 20/34] DocBook media: update VIDIOC_G/S/TRY_EXT_CTRLS Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 21/34] DocBook media: fix coding style in the control example code Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 22/34] DocBook media: update control section Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 23/34] v4l2-controls.txt: update to the new way of accessing controls Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 24/34] v4l2-ctrls/videodev2.h: add u8 and u16 types Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 10:44   ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2014-02-12 11:20     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 12:11       ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2014-02-12 12:40         ` Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 13:13           ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2014-02-12 13:26             ` Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 13:40               ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2014-02-12 14:05                 ` Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 25/34] DocBook media: document new u8 and u16 control types Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 26/34] v4l2-ctrls: fix comments Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 27/34] v4l2-ctrls/v4l2-controls.h: add MD controls Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 28/34] DocBook media: document new motion detection controls Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 29/34] v4l2: add a motion detection event Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 30/34] DocBook: document new v4l " Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 31/34] solo6x10: implement the new motion detection controls Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 32/34] solo6x10: implement the motion detection event Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 33/34] solo6x10: fix 'dma from stack' warning Hans Verkuil
2014-02-10  8:46 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 34/34] go7007: add motion detection support Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12  7:56   ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 35/34] DocBook media: clarify how the matrix maps to the grid Hans Verkuil
2014-02-12 11:39 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 36/34] v4l2-ctrls: break off loop on first changed element Hans Verkuil
2014-02-16 20:14 ` [REVIEWv2 PATCH 00/34] Add support for complex controls, use in solo/go7007 Sakari Ailus
2014-02-17  9:45   ` Hans Verkuil [this message]

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