From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com ([74.125.82.45]:36390 "EHLO mail-wg0-f45.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750820AbaH1RUv (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:20:51 -0400 Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id k14so1050349wgh.4 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53FF64EF.1030809@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:20:47 +0100 From: Kaya Saman MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "P. van Gaans" , Kaya Saman , linux-media@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Advice on DVB-S/S2 card and CAM support References: <53D58EDF.1090102@netscape.net> <53FEA63E.9020208@gmx.net> <53FF406B.9040001@netscape.net> <53FF583A.4080702@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <53FF583A.4080702@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-media-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On 08/28/2014 05:26 PM, P. van Gaans wrote: > On 08/28/2014 04:44 PM, Kaya Saman wrote: >> On 08/28/2014 04:47 AM, P. van Gaans wrote: >>> On 07/28/2014 01:44 AM, Kaya Saman wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm wondering what the best solution for getting satellite working on >>>> Linux is? >>>> >>>> >>>> Currently I have a satellite box with CAM module branded by the >>>> Satellite TV provider we are with. >>>> >>>> >>>> As I am now migrating everything including TV through my HTPC >>>> environment I would also like to link the satellite box up to the HTPC >>>> too to take advantage of the PVR and streaming capabilities. >>>> >>>> >>>> I run XBMC as my frontend so I was looking into TV Headend to take >>>> care >>>> of PVR side of things. >>>> >>>> >>>> My greatest issue though is what is the best solution for getting the >>>> satellite system into the HTPC? >>>> >>>> >>>> After some research my first idea was to use a satellite tuner card; >>>> models are available for Hauppauge and other vendors so really it was >>>> about which was going to offer best compatibility with Linux? >>>> (distro is >>>> Arch Linux with 3.15 kernel) >>>> >>>> The model of card I was looking was from DVB-Sky: >>>> >>>> http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_S950C.html >>>> >>>> something like that, which has CAM module slot and is DVB-S/S2 >>>> compatible and claims to have drivers supported by the Linuxtv >>>> project. >>>> >>>> >>>> Or alternately going for something like this: >>>> >>>> http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_T9580.html >>>> >>>> as it has a combined DVB-T tuner, then using a USB card reader for the >>>> CAM "smart card". >>>> >>>> >>>> Has anyone used the cards above, what are the opinions relating to >>>> them? >>>> Also would they work with motorized dishes? >>>> >>>> >>>> Since I'm not sure if "all" CAM's are supported as apparently our >>>> satellite tv provider wanted to lock out other receivers so they force >>>> people to use their own product; >>>> >>>> my second idea was to perhaps use a capture card with RCA inputs. >>>> >>>> Something like this: >>>> >>>> http://www.c21video.com/viewcast/osprey-210.html >>>> >>>> perhaps or a Hauppauge HD-PVR mk I edition: >>>> >>>> which according to the wiki is supported. >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking forward to hearing advice. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kaya >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe >>>> linux-media" in >>>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >>>> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >>>> >>> >>> Hi Kaya, >> >> Hi, >> >> many thanks for the response! >> >>> >>> RCA inputs is probably the last thing you want. Less quality, more of >>> a pain to set up. >> >> Unfortunately I need the composite inputs due to a set-top box which is >> used to watch (non-English) sports with; and they are paid channels. The >> box is non-HD so only RCA (Phono) or SCART output. >> >>> >>> You may or may not be able to use that CAM - but even if it's >>> supported, a CAM has downsides. It generally only supports one channel >>> at a time - and surely not multiple channels from different >>> frequencies (if you have more tuners). And it's more expensive, both >>> the tuner (that needs a CI slot) and the CAM you need. Also, I'm not >>> sure if tvheadend nowadays supports a CAM - it used not to, but >>> support may have been added. >>> >>> The main downside of a phoenix-mode cardreader is that it's harder to >>> set up, but if you can find a guide for your provider it's generally >>> doable. It's cheaper, more flexible and allows for faster channel >>> switching. >> >> I doubt the provider will have a guide as they "claim" to want to lock >> everybody into their own set-top box - the non-HD one described above. >> >>> >>> As for a tuner, I personally suggest going for a USB-tuner. You never >>> know if you want to connect you tuner to a notebook or NAS or anything >>> in the future, with USB you're more flexible. If you do go for PCI-e, >>> Tevii appears to have some supported products that are also available. >>> >>> If you go for USB, support is somewhat problematic (problematic >>> because many supported tuners are no longer available in stores), >>> you'll have to see what's locally available. (perhaps also check >>> second-hand) Be careful, some devices have various revisions. Always >>> check http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information >> >> I did go this route eventually (since writing my initial post) :-) >> currently - though this was supposed to be my "last resort" route. >> >> I grabbed a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-1900 EU version. >> >> According to these guides: >> >> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pvrusb2 >> >> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1950 >> >> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1900 >> >> It is supported. >> >> I will need to write a separate posting for it though as I'm a little >> stuck with it. The BER is quite high and also I can't switch to the >> 'composite' input most of the time though on rare occasion it does work? >> >> The PCI/ or PCI-E card is still an option for me as it will go into a >> rather large HTPC case which I can also use as a server for distributed >> TV around the network. >> >>> >>> Very recently, Antti reviewed a patch from nibble.max to support the >>> DVBsky S960. (and presumably it's direct clones from Mystique) This is >>> a pretty cheap tuner that can still be found in shops. It would appear >>> that as soon as this patch gets merged, this device will be supported >>> if you compile v4l-dvb yourself, and in time support will make it into >>> the kernel. >>> >>> In any case, you want something with in-kernel support - something >>> that's only supported by s2-liplianin or vendor drivers (like many >>> dvbsky and TBS products) will only break in the long term. Only >>> exception to this is Sundtek, but I personally have mixed feelings >>> about closed source userspace drivers. I wouldn't recommend them >>> personally. >> >> In my research I got suggested the Digital Devices line of products: >> >> http://www.digitaldevices.de/ >> >> They are German so hopefully the quality will be extremely good and they >> all seem natively supported. >> >>> >>> Good luck, >> >> Many thanks. >> >>> >>> P. van Gaans >> >> Kaya >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe >> linux-media" in >> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> > > > Hi Kaya, Hi P. van Gaans, sorry for the confusion! > > "I doubt the provider will have a guide as they "claim" to want to > lock everybody into their own set-top box - the non-HD one described > above." > > No, I mean a guide written by somebody on the internet on how to > configure a cardserver (like OScam). If your provider is well known > chances are somebody has already written a guide for that. Hmm... I could try that. Basically the setup is a DigiTurk box. The provider has already claimed to have disabled usage on all set-top boxes other then their own branded ones??? I think that was to stop people outside of the country to use their own "better?" boxes with their system. Hence the reason for grabbing the HVR-1900. > > "I grabbed a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-1900 EU version." > > I don't understand. That's an analog+DVB-T hybrid device. So you'll > keep using the settopbox? Sorry, no! I don't want to keep using it. However, if like I stated I can't use the smart card module with other DVB-S/S2 tuners then I will have to stick with this setup :-( > > Well, it's your choice - there are dozens of supported analog cards > for Linux. I don't think TVheadend is going to like this, because > while TVheadend can probably work with that card, that's usually by > using the analog tuner on an analog TV network and some internet feed > to replace the EPG. You however are using a settopbox and the > composite input, so I don't know how you're going to switch channels. > I'm sure it's technically possible, but I couldn't tell you how. So > good luck. I have done this already in MythTV, and works well. Channel changes of course don't work however, since really the set-top box is tuned to one paid channel (don't ask! I don't get it myself - but that's soccer fans for you) which is only served by the current provider with special smart-card (something similar to this as example: http://www.skysat-europe.com/Zencart/zencart4a/images/Orbit220300.jpg ). ((Not our provider or card but just using as example to illustrate the type of setup we have)). So yep, really I guess if I could just get the analog input currently to behave hopefully I will be able to get it to work stably with MythTV or TVHeadend until I grab proper PCI cards and see if they work with the CI card; have already posted a query about that using another subject header. Sorry if all this is really confusing! It's worse for me trying to get things working around a soccer fanatic :-P > > Best regards, Regards > > P. van Gaans Kaya > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html