* [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
@ 2015-03-16 11:25 Hans Verkuil
2015-03-16 15:32 ` Chris Kohn
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Hans Verkuil @ 2015-03-16 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: media-workshop@linuxtv.org; +Cc: Linux Media Mailing List
This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March 26th.
Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
Attendees:
Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on board
Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl - Cisco
Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
Agenda:
Times are approximate and will likely change.
9:00-9:15 Get everyone installed, laptops hooked up, etc.
9:15-9:30 Introduction
9:30-10:30 Media Controller support for DVB (Mauro):
1) dynamic creation/removal of pipelines
2) change media_entity_pipeline_start to also define
the final entity
3) how to setup pipelines that also envolve audio and DRM
4) how to lock the media controller pipeline between enabling a
pipeline and starting it, in order to avoid race conditions
See this post for more detailed information:
https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
10:30-10:45 Break
10:45-12:00 Continue discussion
12:00-13:00 Lunch (Mauro, do you have any idea whether there is a lunch organized,
or if we are on our own?)
13:00-14:40 Continue discussion
14:40-15:00 Break
15:00-16:00 Subdev hotplug in the context of both FPGA dynamic reconfiguration and
project Ara (http://www.projectara.com/) (Laurent).
16:00-17:00 Update on ongoing projects (Hans):
- proposal for Android Camera v3-type requests (aka configuration stores)
- work on colorspace improvements
- vivid & v4l2-compliance improvements
- removing duplicate subdev video ops and use pad ops instead
- others?
Most of the time will be spent on DVB and the MC. Based on past experience this
likely will take some time to get a concensus.
Comments are welcome!
Regards,
Hans
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* RE: [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
2015-03-16 11:25 [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th Hans Verkuil
@ 2015-03-16 15:32 ` Chris Kohn
2015-03-21 12:36 ` [media-workshop] " Laurent Pinchart
2015-03-23 4:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
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From: Chris Kohn @ 2015-03-16 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hans Verkuil, media-workshop@linuxtv.org; +Cc: Linux Media Mailing List
Hi Hans,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-media-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-media-
> owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Hans Verkuil
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:25 AM
> To: media-workshop@linuxtv.org
> Cc: Linux Media Mailing List
> Subject: [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
>
> This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March 26th.
>
> Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
> Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
>
> Attendees:
>
> Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
> Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on
> board
> Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl - Cisco
>
> Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
I will attend as well. I'm interested in the subdev hotplug topic.
Cheers,
Chris
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* Re: [media-workshop] [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
2015-03-16 11:25 [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th Hans Verkuil
2015-03-16 15:32 ` Chris Kohn
@ 2015-03-21 12:36 ` Laurent Pinchart
2015-03-21 18:37 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2015-03-23 4:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Laurent Pinchart @ 2015-03-21 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: media-workshop; +Cc: Hans Verkuil, Linux Media Mailing List
Hi Hans,
On Monday 16 March 2015 12:25:28 Hans Verkuil wrote:
> This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March
> 26th.
>
> Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
> Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
>
> Attendees:
>
> Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
> Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on board
> Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl - Cisco
>
> Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
>
> Agenda:
>
> Times are approximate and will likely change.
>
> 9:00-9:15 Get everyone installed, laptops hooked up, etc.
> 9:15-9:30 Introduction
> 9:30-10:30 Media Controller support for DVB (Mauro):
> 1) dynamic creation/removal of pipelines
> 2) change media_entity_pipeline_start to also define
> the final entity
> 3) how to setup pipelines that also envolve audio and DRM
> 4) how to lock the media controller pipeline between enabling a
> pipeline and starting it, in order to avoid race conditions
>
> See this post for more detailed information:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
>
> 10:30-10:45 Break
> 10:45-12:00 Continue discussion
> 12:00-13:00 Lunch (Mauro, do you have any idea whether there is a lunch
> organized, or if we are on our own?)
> 13:00-14:40 Continue discussion
> 14:40-15:00 Break
> 15:00-16:00 Subdev hotplug in the context of both FPGA dynamic
> reconfiguration and project Ara (http://www.projectara.com/) (Laurent).
To be precise, this will be both hot plug and hot unplug.
> 16:00-17:00 Update on ongoing projects (Hans):
> - proposal for Android Camera v3-type requests (aka configuration
> stores)
I'm interested in this as well.
> - work on colorspace improvements
> - vivid & v4l2-compliance improvements
> - removing duplicate subdev video ops and use pad ops instead
> - others?
There's also the topic of the media device controller registry that we
discussed during the FOSDEM, but as far as I know there has been no progress
in that area.
> Most of the time will be spent on DVB and the MC. Based on past experience
> this likely will take some time to get a concensus.
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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* Re: [media-workshop] [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
2015-03-21 12:36 ` [media-workshop] " Laurent Pinchart
@ 2015-03-21 18:37 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
2015-03-21 21:30 ` Laurent Pinchart
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jean-Michel Hautbois @ 2015-03-21 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Laurent Pinchart; +Cc: media-workshop, Hans Verkuil, Linux Media Mailing List
2015-03-21 13:36 GMT+01:00 Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> On Monday 16 March 2015 12:25:28 Hans Verkuil wrote:
> > This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March
> > 26th.
> >
> > Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
> > Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
> >
> > Attendees:
> >
> > Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
> > Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on board
> > Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl - Cisco
> >
> > Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
> >
> > Agenda:
> >
> > Times are approximate and will likely change.
> >
> > 9:00-9:15 Get everyone installed, laptops hooked up, etc.
> > 9:15-9:30 Introduction
> > 9:30-10:30 Media Controller support for DVB (Mauro):
> > 1) dynamic creation/removal of pipelines
> > 2) change media_entity_pipeline_start to also define
> > the final entity
> > 3) how to setup pipelines that also envolve audio and DRM
> > 4) how to lock the media controller pipeline between enabling a
> > pipeline and starting it, in order to avoid race conditions
> >
> > See this post for more detailed information:
> >
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
> >
> > 10:30-10:45 Break
> > 10:45-12:00 Continue discussion
> > 12:00-13:00 Lunch (Mauro, do you have any idea whether there is a lunch
> > organized, or if we are on our own?)
> > 13:00-14:40 Continue discussion
> > 14:40-15:00 Break
> > 15:00-16:00 Subdev hotplug in the context of both FPGA dynamic
> > reconfiguration and project Ara (http://www.projectara.com/) (Laurent).
>
> To be precise, this will be both hot plug and hot unplug.
>
> > 16:00-17:00 Update on ongoing projects (Hans):
> > - proposal for Android Camera v3-type requests (aka configuration
> > stores)
>
> I'm interested in this as well.
>
> > - work on colorspace improvements
> > - vivid & v4l2-compliance improvements
> > - removing duplicate subdev video ops and use pad ops instead
> > - others?
>
> There's also the topic of the media device controller registry that we
> discussed during the FOSDEM, but as far as I know there has been no progress
> in that area.
>
Unfortunately I can't be there, but am interested by a report on this
particular question :).
Thanks,
JM
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* Re: [media-workshop] [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
2015-03-21 18:37 ` Jean-Michel Hautbois
@ 2015-03-21 21:30 ` Laurent Pinchart
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Laurent Pinchart @ 2015-03-21 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jean-Michel Hautbois
Cc: media-workshop, Hans Verkuil, Linux Media Mailing List
Hi Jean-Michel,
On Saturday 21 March 2015 19:37:51 Jean-Michel Hautbois wrote:
> 2015-03-21 13:36 GMT+01:00 Laurent Pinchart:
> > On Monday 16 March 2015 12:25:28 Hans Verkuil wrote:
> > > This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March
> > > 26th.
> > >
> > > Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
> > > Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
> > >
> > > Attendees:
> > >
> > > Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
> > > Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on
> > > board Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl -
> > > Cisco
> > >
> > > Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
> > >
> > > Agenda:
> > >
> > > Times are approximate and will likely change.
> > >
> > > 9:00-9:15 Get everyone installed, laptops hooked up, etc.
> > > 9:15-9:30 Introduction
> > >
> > > 9:30-10:30 Media Controller support for DVB (Mauro):
> > > 1) dynamic creation/removal of pipelines
> > > 2) change media_entity_pipeline_start to also define
> > >
> > > the final entity
> > >
> > > 3) how to setup pipelines that also envolve audio and DRM
> > > 4) how to lock the media controller pipeline between
> > > enabling a
> > >
> > > pipeline and starting it, in order to avoid race
> > > conditions
> > >
> > > See this post for more detailed information:
> > >
> > > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
> > >
> > > 10:30-10:45 Break
> > > 10:45-12:00 Continue discussion
> > > 12:00-13:00 Lunch (Mauro, do you have any idea whether there is a lunch
> > > organized, or if we are on our own?)
> > > 13:00-14:40 Continue discussion
> > > 14:40-15:00 Break
> > > 15:00-16:00 Subdev hotplug in the context of both FPGA dynamic
> > > reconfiguration and project Ara (http://www.projectara.com/) (Laurent).
> >
> > To be precise, this will be both hot plug and hot unplug.
> >
> > > 16:00-17:00 Update on ongoing projects (Hans):
> > > - proposal for Android Camera v3-type requests (aka
> > > configuration
> > > stores)
> >
> > I'm interested in this as well.
> >
> > > - work on colorspace improvements
> > > - vivid & v4l2-compliance improvements
> > > - removing duplicate subdev video ops and use pad ops
> > > instead
> > > - others?
> >
> > There's also the topic of the media device controller registry that we
> > discussed during the FOSDEM, but as far as I know there has been no
> > progress in that area.
>
> Unfortunately I can't be there, but am interested by a report on this
> particular question :).
Feel free to report your progress ;-)
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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* Re: [media-workshop] [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
2015-03-16 11:25 [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th Hans Verkuil
2015-03-16 15:32 ` Chris Kohn
2015-03-21 12:36 ` [media-workshop] " Laurent Pinchart
@ 2015-03-23 4:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2015-03-23 14:37 ` Shuah Khan
2015-03-24 6:25 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab @ 2015-03-23 4:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hans Verkuil; +Cc: media-workshop@linuxtv.org, Linux Media Mailing List
Em Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:25:28 +0100
Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> escreveu:
> This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March 26th.
>
> Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
> Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
I'll check on this Monday with LF and wiĺl give you a feedback.
>
> Attendees:
>
> Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
> Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on board
> Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl - Cisco
>
> Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
This time, we'll be using ELC registration site to track. I'll see how
we can get this info with LF as well, but, as people can join it
dynamically, the best is to get the list with them on Thursday evening,
and double-check during the Summit to track last-minute changes.
>
> Agenda:
>
> Times are approximate and will likely change.
>
> 9:00-9:15 Get everyone installed, laptops hooked up, etc.
> 9:15-9:30 Introduction
> 9:30-10:30 Media Controller support for DVB (Mauro):
> 1) dynamic creation/removal of pipelines
> 2) change media_entity_pipeline_start to also define
> the final entity
> 3) how to setup pipelines that also envolve audio and DRM
> 4) how to lock the media controller pipeline between enabling a
> pipeline and starting it, in order to avoid race conditions
>
> See this post for more detailed information:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
Actually, there are two threads and two followup emails. The detailed info
is at:
https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85979.html
https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg83883.html
https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg83884.html
I'll prepare a summary covering everything into a single file to make
easier, and I'll prepare some slides with the topic highlights.
> 10:30-10:45 Break
> 10:45-12:00 Continue discussion
> 12:00-13:00 Lunch (Mauro, do you have any idea whether there is a lunch organized,
> or if we are on our own?)
I'm almost sure we are on our on for lunch. I'll double check this also
with LF.
> 13:00-14:40 Continue discussion
> 14:40-15:00 Break
> 15:00-16:00 Subdev hotplug in the context of both FPGA dynamic reconfiguration and
> project Ara (http://www.projectara.com/) (Laurent).
> 16:00-17:00 Update on ongoing projects (Hans):
> - proposal for Android Camera v3-type requests (aka configuration stores)
> - work on colorspace improvements
> - vivid & v4l2-compliance improvements
> - removing duplicate subdev video ops and use pad ops instead
> - others?
>
> Most of the time will be spent on DVB and the MC. Based on past experience this
> likely will take some time to get a concensus.
>
> Comments are welcome!
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
>
> _______________________________________________
> media-workshop mailing list
> media-workshop@linuxtv.org
> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/media-workshop
--
Cheers,
Mauro
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* Re: [media-workshop] [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
2015-03-23 4:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
@ 2015-03-23 14:37 ` Shuah Khan
2015-03-24 6:25 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Shuah Khan @ 2015-03-23 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Cc: Hans Verkuil, media-workshop@linuxtv.org,
Linux Media Mailing List
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab
<mchehab@osg.samsung.com> wrote:
> Em Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:25:28 +0100
> Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> escreveu:
>
>> This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March 26th.
>>
>> Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
>> Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
>
> I'll check on this Monday with LF and wiĺl give you a feedback.
>
>>
>> Attendees:
>>
>> Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
>> Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on board
>> Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl - Cisco
>>
>> Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
>
> This time, we'll be using ELC registration site to track. I'll see how
> we can get this info with LF as well, but, as people can join it
> dynamically, the best is to get the list with them on Thursday evening,
> and double-check during the Summit to track last-minute changes.
>
>>
>> Agenda:
>>
>> Times are approximate and will likely change.
>>
>> 9:00-9:15 Get everyone installed, laptops hooked up, etc.
>> 9:15-9:30 Introduction
>> 9:30-10:30 Media Controller support for DVB (Mauro):
>> 1) dynamic creation/removal of pipelines
>> 2) change media_entity_pipeline_start to also define
>> the final entity
>> 3) how to setup pipelines that also envolve audio and DRM
>> 4) how to lock the media controller pipeline between enabling a
>> pipeline and starting it, in order to avoid race conditions
>>
I am attending as well. Could you please add discussion on Media Tokens.
I will send out a 5 patch RFC series. We can discuss to see if it is worth while
continuing this work.
thanks,
-- Shuah
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* Re: [media-workshop] [ANN] Media Mini-Summit Draft Agenda for March 26th
2015-03-23 4:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2015-03-23 14:37 ` Shuah Khan
@ 2015-03-24 6:25 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Guennadi Liakhovetski @ 2015-03-24 6:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Cc: Hans Verkuil, media-workshop@linuxtv.org,
Linux Media Mailing List
Hi Mauro,
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:25:28 +0100
> Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> escreveu:
>
> > This is the draft agenda for the media mini-summit in San Jose on March 26th.
> >
> > Time: 9 AM to 5 PM (approximately)
> > Room: TBC (Mauro, do you know this?)
>
> I'll check on this Monday with LF and wiĺl give you a feedback.
>
> >
> > Attendees:
> >
> > Mauro Carvalho Chehab - mchehab@osg.samsung.com - Samsung
> > Laurent Pinchart - laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com - Ideas on board
> > Hans Verkuil - hverkuil@xs4all.nl - Cisco
> >
> > Mauro, do you have a better overview of who else will attend?
>
> This time, we'll be using ELC registration site to track. I'll see how
> we can get this info with LF as well, but, as people can join it
> dynamically, the best is to get the list with them on Thursday evening,
> and double-check during the Summit to track last-minute changes.
I asked the LF how I should register to attend the mini-summit only, they
said - no, no need to register, attending just a mini-summit is free. So,
expect unregistered visitors like me ;)
Thanks
Guennadi
>
> >
> > Agenda:
> >
> > Times are approximate and will likely change.
> >
> > 9:00-9:15 Get everyone installed, laptops hooked up, etc.
> > 9:15-9:30 Introduction
> > 9:30-10:30 Media Controller support for DVB (Mauro):
> > 1) dynamic creation/removal of pipelines
> > 2) change media_entity_pipeline_start to also define
> > the final entity
> > 3) how to setup pipelines that also envolve audio and DRM
> > 4) how to lock the media controller pipeline between enabling a
> > pipeline and starting it, in order to avoid race conditions
> >
> > See this post for more detailed information:
> >
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
>
> Actually, there are two threads and two followup emails. The detailed info
> is at:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85910.html
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg85979.html
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg83883.html
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg83884.html
>
> I'll prepare a summary covering everything into a single file to make
> easier, and I'll prepare some slides with the topic highlights.
>
> > 10:30-10:45 Break
> > 10:45-12:00 Continue discussion
> > 12:00-13:00 Lunch (Mauro, do you have any idea whether there is a lunch organized,
> > or if we are on our own?)
>
> I'm almost sure we are on our on for lunch. I'll double check this also
> with LF.
>
> > 13:00-14:40 Continue discussion
> > 14:40-15:00 Break
> > 15:00-16:00 Subdev hotplug in the context of both FPGA dynamic reconfiguration and
> > project Ara (http://www.projectara.com/) (Laurent).
> > 16:00-17:00 Update on ongoing projects (Hans):
> > - proposal for Android Camera v3-type requests (aka configuration stores)
> > - work on colorspace improvements
> > - vivid & v4l2-compliance improvements
> > - removing duplicate subdev video ops and use pad ops instead
> > - others?
> >
> > Most of the time will be spent on DVB and the MC. Based on past experience this
> > likely will take some time to get a concensus.
> >
> > Comments are welcome!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hans
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > media-workshop mailing list
> > media-workshop@linuxtv.org
> > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/media-workshop
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Mauro
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