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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Hi Jacopo, On Mon, Sep 01, 2025 at 07:09:29PM +0200, Jacopo Mondi wrote: > Hi Sakari > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 12:50:40PM +0300, Sakari Ailus wrote: > > Sub-device configuration models define what V4L2 API elements are > > available on a compliant sub-device and how do they behave. > > > > The patch also adds a model for common raw sensors. > > > > Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus > > Reviewed-by: Tomi Valkeinen > > Reviewed-by: Lad Prabhakar > > Reviewed-by: Mirela Rabulea > > Reviewed-by: Lad Prabhakar > > --- > > .../media/drivers/camera-sensor.rst | 4 + > > .../media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.dia | 442 ++++++++++++++++++ > > .../media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.svg | 134 ++++++ > > .../userspace-api/media/v4l/dev-subdev.rst | 2 + > > .../media/v4l/subdev-config-model.rst | 230 +++++++++ > > 5 files changed, 812 insertions(+) > > create mode 100644 Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.dia > > create mode 100644 Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.svg > > create mode 100644 Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/subdev-config-model.rst > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/media/drivers/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/drivers/camera-sensor.rst > > index cbbfbb0d8273..39f3f91c6733 100644 > > --- a/Documentation/userspace-api/media/drivers/camera-sensor.rst > > +++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/drivers/camera-sensor.rst > > @@ -18,6 +18,8 @@ binning functionality. The sensor drivers belong to two distinct classes, freely > > configurable and register list-based drivers, depending on how the driver > > configures this functionality. > > > > +Also see :ref:`media_subdev_config_model_common_raw_sensor`. > > + > > Freely configurable camera sensor drivers > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > @@ -118,6 +120,8 @@ values programmed by the register sequences. The default values of these > > controls shall be 0 (disabled). Especially these controls shall not be inverted, > > independently of the sensor's mounting rotation. > > > > +.. _media_using_camera_sensor_drivers_embedded_data: > > + > > Embedded data > > ------------- > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.dia b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.dia > > new file mode 100644 > > index 000000000000..24b3f2b2a626 > > --- /dev/null > > +++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.dia > > [snip] > > > diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.svg b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.svg > > new file mode 100644 > > index 000000000000..1d6055da2519 > > --- /dev/null > > +++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/common-raw-sensor.svg > > [snip] > > > diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/dev-subdev.rst b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/dev-subdev.rst > > index bb86cadfad1c..b0774b9a9b71 100644 > > --- a/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/dev-subdev.rst > > +++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/dev-subdev.rst > > @@ -846,3 +846,5 @@ stream while it may be possible to enable and disable the embedded data stream. > > > > The embedded data format does not need to be configured on the sensor's pads as > > the format is dictated by the pixel data format in this case. > > + > > +.. include:: subdev-config-model.rst > > diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/subdev-config-model.rst b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/subdev-config-model.rst > > new file mode 100644 > > index 000000000000..1e6c58931ea0 > > --- /dev/null > > +++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/media/v4l/subdev-config-model.rst > > @@ -0,0 +1,230 @@ > > +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0 OR GFDL-1.1-no-invariants-or-later > > + > > +.. _media_subdev_config_model: > > + > > +Sub-device configuration models > > +=============================== > > + > > +The V4L2 specification defines a subdev API that exposes three type of > > +configuration elements: formats, selection rectangles and controls. The > > +specification contains generic information about how those configuration > > +elements behave, but not precisely how they apply to particular hardware > > +features. We leave some leeway to drivers to decide how to map selection > > +rectangles to device features, as long as they comply with the V4L2 > > +specification. This is needed as hardware features differ between devices, so > > +it's the driver's responsibility to handle this mapping. > > + > > +Unfortunately, this lack of clearly defined mapping in the specification has led > > +to different drivers mapping the same hardware features to different API > > +elements, or implementing the API elements with slightly different > > +behaviours. Furthermore, many drivers have implemented selection rectangles in > > +ways that do not comply with the V4L2 specification. All of this makes userspace > > +development difficult. > > + > > +Sub-device configuration models specify in detail what the user space can expect > > +from a sub-device in terms of V4L2 sub-device interface support, semantics > > +included. > > + > > +A sub-device may implement more than one configuration model at the same > > +time. The implemented configuration models can be obtained from the sub-device's > > +``V4L2_CID_CONFIG_MODEL`` control. > > + > > +.. _media_subdev_config_model_common_raw_sensor: > > + > > +Common raw camera sensor model > > +------------------------------ > > + > > +The common raw camera sensor model defines a set of enumeration and > > +configuration interfaces (formats, selections etc.) that cover the vast majority > > +of functionality of raw camera sensors. Not all of the interfaces are > > +necessarily offered by all drivers. > > + > > +A sub-device complies with the common raw sensor model if the > > +``V4L2_CONFIG_MODEL_COMMON_RAW_SENSOR`` bit is set in the > > +``V4L2_CID_CONFIG_MODEL`` control of the sub-device. > > + > > +The common raw camera sensor model is aligned with > > +:ref:`media_using_camera_sensor_drivers`. Please refer to that regarding aspects > > +not specified here. > > + > > +Each camera sensor implementing the common raw sensor model exposes a single > > +V4L2 sub-device. The sub-device contains a single source pad (0) and two or more > > +internal pads: one or more image data internal pads (starting from 1) and > > +optionally an embedded data pad. > > + > > +Additionally, further internal pads may be supported for other features. Using > > +more than one image data internal pad or more than one non-image data pad > > +requires these pads documented separately for the given device. The indices of > > +the image data internal pads shall be lower than those of the non-image data > > +pads. > > + > > +This is shown in :ref:`media_subdev_config_model_common_raw_sensor_subdev`. > > possibly doesn't need a link as the image is just here below > > > + > > +.. _media_subdev_config_model_common_raw_sensor_subdev: > > + > > +.. kernel-figure:: common-raw-sensor.svg > > + :alt: common-raw-sensor.svg > > + :align: center > > + > > + **Common raw sensor sub-device with n pads (n == 2)** > > + > > +Routes > > +^^^^^^ > > + > > +A sub-device conforming to common raw camera sensor model implements the > > +following routes. > > + > > +.. flat-table:: Routes > > + :header-rows: 1 > > + > > + * - Sink pad/stream > > + - Source pad/stream > > + - Static (X/M(aybe)/-) > > + - Mandatory (X/-) > > + - Synopsis > > + * - 1/0 > > + - 0/0 > > + - X > > + - X > > + - Image data > > + * - 2/0 > > + - 0/1 > > + - M > > + - \- > > + - Embedded data > > + > > +Support for the embedded data stream is optional. Drivers supporting the > > +embedded data stream may allow disabling and enabling the route when the > > +streaming is disabled. > > I would > > s/when the streaming is disabled// Sounds good. > > > + > > +Sensor pixel array size, cropping and binning > > +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > + > > +The sensor's pixel array is divided into one or more areas. The areas around the > > +edge of the pixel array, usually one or more sides, may contain optical black > > You say that "the pixel array is divided into one or more areas" and > then list "the areas around the edge of the pixel array" which is confusing > > I think it would be better as > > The sensor's full pixel array is divided into one or more areas, one > (or multiple) active area which contains visible pixels surrounded, > usually on one or more sides, by non-active areas which may contain > optical black pixels, dummy pixels and other non-image pixels. The > entire pixel array areas size, including the active and non-active > portions is conveyed by the format on (pad, stream) pair 1/0. > > This would also better define the "visible pixels" term which is used > in the rest of the documentation. There indeed were issues in the terms used in the original text. How about: The sensor's pixel array is divided into one or more areas. The areas around the the visible area in the pixel array, usually one or more sides, may contain optical black pixels, dummy pixels and other non-image pixels. The full size of the pixel array that may be captured is conveyed by the format on (pad, stream) pair 1/0. A rectangle within the pixel array contains the visible pixels. Capturing the non-visible pixels outside the visible pixel area may be supported by the sensor. The visible pixel area corresponds to the ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP_DEFAULT`` selection target on (pad, stream) pair 1/0. > > > + > > +A rectangle within the pixel array contains the visible pixels. Capturing the > > If you accept the above, you can drop the first sentence here > > > +non-visible pixels outside the visible pixel area may be supported by the > > +sensor. The visible pixel area corresponds to the ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP_DEFAULT`` > > +selection target on (pad, stream) pair 1/0. > > + > > +Sensors can perform multiple operations that affect the output image size. First > > +of these is the analogue crop. Analogue crop limits the area of the pixel array > > s/First one of these/The first one of these/ Yes. > > > +which the sensor will read, affecting sensor timing as well. The granularity of > > +the analogue crop configuration varies greatly across sensors: some sensors > > +support only a few different analogue crop configurations whereas others may > > +support anything divisible by a given number of pixels. The analogue crop > > +configuration corresponds to the ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP`` selection target on (pad, > > +stream) pair 1/0. The default analogue crop rectangle corresponds to the visible > > +pixel area. > > + > > +In the next step, binning is performed on the image data read from camera > > +sensor's pixel array, as determined by the analogue crop configuration. Enabling > > +binning will effectively result in an image smaller than the original by given > > +binning factors horizontally and vertically. Typical values are 1/2 and 1/3 but > > +others may well be supported by the hardware as well. > > + > > +Sub-sampling follows binning. Sub-sampling, like binning, reduces the size of > > +the image by including only a subset of samples read from the sensor's pixel > > +matrix, typically every n'th pixel horizontally and vertically, taking the > > +sensor's color pattern into account. Sub-sampling is generally configurable > > +separately horizontally and vertically. > > + > > +Binning and sub-sampling are configured using the ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_COMPOSE`` > > s/Binning and sub-sampling are/The combined effect of binning and > sub-sampling is/ Yes. > > > +rectangle, relative to the analogue crop rectangle, on (pad, stream) pair > > +1/0. The driver implementation determines how to configure binning and > > +sub-sampling to achieve the desired size. > > + > > +The digital crop operation takes place after binning and sub-sampling. It is > > +configured by setting the ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP`` rectangle on (pad, stream) pair > > +0/0. The resulting image size is further output by the sensor. > > by the sensor on the bus. > > ? We should in fact get rid of the word "bus" in this context as the CSI-2 interface is not an actual (addressable) bus. How about "sensor's data interface"? Someone will probably ask what that data interface is. :-) > > > + > > +The sensor's output mbus code is configured by setting the format on the (pad, > > +stream) pair 0/0. When setting the format, always use the same width and height > > +as for the digital crop setting. > > + > > +Drivers may only support some or even none of these configurations, in which > > +case they do not expose the corresponding selection rectangles. If any selection > > +targets are omitted, the further selection rectangle or format is instead > > +related to the previous implemented selection rectangle. For instance, if the > > +sensor supports binning but not analogue crop, then the binning configuration > > +(``V4L2_SEL_TGT_COMPOSE`` selection target) is done in relation to the visible > > +pixel area (``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP_DEFAULT`` selection target). > > + > > +Also refer to :ref:`Selection targets `. > > + > > +.. flat-table:: Selection targets on pads > > + :header-rows: 1 > > + > > + * - Pad/Stream > > + - Selection target/format > > + - Mandatory (X/-) > > + - Modifiable (X/-) > > + - Synopsis > > + * - 1/0 > > + - Format > > + - X > > + - \- > > + - Image data format. The width and the height fields indicates the full > > + size of the pixel array, including non-visible pixels. The media bus > > + code of this format reflects the native pixel depth of the sensor. > > + * - 1/0 > > + - ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP_DEFAULT`` > > + - X > > + - \ > > + - The visible pixel area. This rectangle is relative to the format on the > > + same (pad, stream). > > + * - 1/0 > > + - ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP`` > > + - \- > > + - X > > + - Analogue crop. Analogue crop typically has a coarse granularity. This > > + rectangle is relative to the format on the same (pad, stream). > > + * - 1/0 > > + - ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_COMPOSE`` > > + - \- > > + - X > > + - Binning and sub-sampling. This rectangle is relative to the > > + ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP`` rectangle on the same (pad, stream). The > > + combination of binning and sub-sampling is configured using this > > + selection target. > > + * - 2/0 > > + - Format > > + - X > > + - \- > > + - Embedded data format. > > + * - 0/0 > > + - ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP`` > > + - \- > > + - X > > + - Digital crop. This rectangle is relative to the ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_COMPOSE`` > > + rectangle on (pad, stream) pair 1/0. > > + * - 0/0 > > + - Format > > + - X > > + - X > > + - Image data source format. Always assign the width and height fields of > > + the format to the same values than for the ``V4L2_SEL_TGT_CROP`` > > + rectangle on (pad, stream) pair 0/0. The media bus code reflects the > > + pixel data output of the sensor. > > + * - 0/1 > > + - Format > > + - X > > + - \- > > + - Embedded data source format. > > + > > +Embedded data > > +^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > + > > +The embedded data stream is produced by the sensor when the corresponding route > > +is enabled. The embedded data route may also be immutable or not exist at all, > > +in case the sensor (or the driver) does not support it. > > + > > +Generally the sensor embedded data width is determined by the width of the image > > +data whereas the number of lines are constant for the embedded data. The user > > +space may obtain the size of the embedded data once the image data size on the > > +source pad has been configured. > > + > > +Also see :ref:`media_using_camera_sensor_drivers_embedded_data`. > > Neat! > > Take in any of the suggestions I made you like. > > Reviewed-by: Jacopo Mondi Thank you! -- Kind regards, Sakari Ailus