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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
Cc: johannes.goede@oss.qualcomm.com, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	anisse@astier.eu, oleksandr@natalenko.name,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@kernel.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	Jacopo Mondi <jacopo.mondi@ideasonboard.com>,
	Ricardo Ribalda <ribalda@chromium.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] media: Virtual camera driver
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 21:07:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYJHeOtZT9qBmLQu@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2bda02cb3da6cb6ca7dcf545a5b7af27fb7a6e37@intel.com>

On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 08:53:13PM +0200, Jani Nikula wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2026, johannes.goede@oss.qualcomm.com wrote:
> > OTHO evdi: https://github.com/DisplayLink/evdi has been kept out
> > of the kernel for pretty much the same reasons by the drm/kms folks.
> >
> > At least AFAIK there still is no way to present virtual kms capable
> > display outputs backed by userspace in the kernel.
> >
> > I completely understand where you're coming from wrt v4l2-loopback
> > support (or something equivalent) but asking for this really is
> > the same as asking for the evdi driver to get merged, which AFAIK
> > has been blocked for the reason of avoiding proprietary userspace
> > display output drivers (I guess there might be technical reasons too).
> 
> I'm not sure this is the same thing, though.
> 
> The DRM subsystem does require an open source userspace for new uAPI,
> which is stricter than most subsystems [1]. Other than that, I don't
> think anyone's actively keeping evdi out of the kernel. AFAIK there
> hasn't been a serious attempt at upstreaming it either. Which is pretty
> much because there's no open userspace. Nobody's cared enough to either
> write one or open source the existing one for a decade [2].

This is unrelated of ACK/NACK and not saying this as a "selling point"
but realistically speaking based on what I've read I have extremely hard
time to believe that my driver would enable a market of proprietary
camera drivers :-) Actually, after looking up mipi.org based on Hans
response, I even more so believe that this is the case.

> BR,
> Jani.

BR, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-03 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-02 20:44 [RFC PATCH v2] media: Virtual camera driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-02 21:28 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-02 22:50 ` Sakari Ailus
2026-02-03  0:10   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03  1:36     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03 20:57       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03 21:11         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03 21:21           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03  8:09 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03  8:32   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03 10:27 ` johannes.goede
2026-02-03 13:16   ` Jani Nikula
2026-02-03 21:09     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03 13:20   ` Jani Nikula
2026-02-03 14:19     ` johannes.goede
2026-02-03 15:25       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-02-03 18:53       ` Jani Nikula
2026-02-03 19:07         ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2026-02-03 19:15           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03 21:22             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03 21:40               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-02-03 21:18       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-02-03 17:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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