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From: Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>
To: Wolfram Sang <wsa+renesas@sang-engineering.com>
Cc: "Bartosz Golaszewski" <brgl@kernel.org>,
	"Bartosz Golaszewski" <bartosz.golaszewski@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	"Andi Shyti" <andi.shyti@kernel.org>,
	"Chen-Yu Tsai" <wens@kernel.org>,
	"Jernej Skrabec" <jernej.skrabec@gmail.com>,
	"Samuel Holland" <samuel@sholland.org>,
	"Khalil Blaiech" <kblaiech@nvidia.com>,
	"Asmaa Mnebhi" <asmaa@nvidia.com>,
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	"Madhavan Srinivasan" <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)" <chleroy@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Manivannan Sadhasivam" <mani@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] i2c: add and start using i2c_adapter-specific printk helpers
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2026 16:50:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aar3rj7Db6NmTVS_@hovoldconsulting.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aagSewpM88KAZDcJ@shikoro>

On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 12:07:39PM +0100, Wolfram Sang wrote:
> Hi Bart, hi Johan,
> 
> > And I agree: doing the above would be even better but you'd need - for every
> > driver - to move the i2c_adapter struct out of driver data and make it a
> > pointer. That's in addition to providing new APIs and using them. I2C drivers
> > are spread treewide. There's a reason why nobody attempted it for decades. I'm
> > proposing something a bit less complex: allow drivers to free i2c_adapter at
> > unbind but make i2c core keep a private, reference-counted structure for as
> > long as it's needed.
> 
> I am still with Bart, the above paragraph sums it up extremly well IMO.
> I also recall that the outcome of the Plumbers session 2024 was "go for
> it!". Nobody said the approach would be "fighting" the driver model.
> There were a lot of experienced developers in the room.

I don't know what was said a conference some years ago or whether there
was any misunderstanding on either side. What matters is what was
posted.

> > I'm frustrated because I'm spending time working on an actual solution. I've
> > explained what I'm doing and what the end result will look like based on what
> > works for GPIO (struct gpio_chip's lifetime is bound to device's "bound" state,
> > struct gpio_device is refcounted, I want to mirror it with i2c_adapter and
> > whatever we eventually call its refcounted counterpart - let's say:
> > i2c_bus_device).
> 
> I am super-happy and thankful that Bart volunteers to spend all this
> time on fixing this decade old problem. I know this alone is not a
> reason to accept a technically bad solution. But I think it isn't. I
> think it is a viable approach to keep the churn and potential
> regressions lower than a theoretically ideal solution which is nobody to
> do anyways because you'd need to refactor drivers from the 90s in a
> quite intrusive way.

We've done bigger refactoring than this, and after a looking a this a
bit further today, I don't think it's going to be that intrusive at all.

Bartosz seems to agree that my suggestion to decouple the driver data
from the i2c_adapter would be better, and I'm willing to do the job.

Johan

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-06 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-23  8:59 [PATCH v2 00/13] i2c: add and start using i2c_adapter-specific printk helpers Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] media: saa7134: rename i2c_dbg() to saa7134_i2c_dbg() Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-16  8:29   ` Hans Verkuil
2026-03-16  8:38     ` Wolfram Sang
2026-03-16  8:42       ` Hans Verkuil
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] i2c: add i2c_adapter-specific printk helpers Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] i2c: sun6i-p2wi: use " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] i2c: mlxbf: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] i2c: isch: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] i2c: ali1535: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] i2c: scmi: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] i2c: ali15x3: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] i2c: powermac: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] i2c: owl: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] i2c: nforce2: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] i2c: amd756: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-23  8:59 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] i2c: piix4: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-26 20:21 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] i2c: add and start using " Wolfram Sang
2026-02-27  8:38   ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-27  8:54     ` Wolfram Sang
2026-02-27  8:58 ` Johan Hovold
2026-02-27  9:08   ` Wolfram Sang
2026-02-27 10:05     ` Johan Hovold
2026-02-27 15:42       ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-02-27 16:40         ` Johan Hovold
2026-03-02 18:03           ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-03 15:57             ` Johan Hovold
2026-03-04  9:55               ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-04 11:07                 ` Wolfram Sang
2026-03-06 15:50                   ` Johan Hovold [this message]
2026-03-06 17:20                     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-09 11:51                     ` Wolfram Sang
2026-03-06 15:39                 ` Johan Hovold
2026-03-06 17:34                   ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-09 10:31                     ` Johan Hovold
2026-03-10  9:28                       ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2026-03-17 10:28                         ` Johan Hovold

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