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From: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Dongwon Kim" <dongwon.kim@intel.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, "Kevin Tian" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	"Matthew Brost" <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Hellstrom" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
	"Vivek Kasireddy" <vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 21/26] dma-buf: Add the Physical Address List DMA mapping type
Date: Sat, 9 May 2026 13:31:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <af7GzASJiASopYiN@yilunxu-OptiPlex-7050> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260422150000.GK3199414@nvidia.com>

> Would you be open to an in-between? The exporter and importer both
> have information that should not leak into each other's drivers. 
> 
> What if the dmabuf mapping type core code was the only thing that had
> access to *BOTH*? The exporter provides the address data, the importer
> provides the iommu_domain. The core code, and only the core code, has
> both and does the required operation?

I think that may not work for KVM. On IOMMU side, IOMMUFD acts as the
address space (iova) manager and dma_api/IOMMU driver acts as the
actual page table mapper. But for KVM, it is both. KVM doesn't allow
another component to provide an unknown address space (GPA space) and
say "map it", so doesn't expose to other components about "KVM domain".

Even if we expose "KVM domain", KVM still acts as the importer and the
mapper, is it wierd to say we trust KVM-the-mapper, but don't trust
KVM-the-as-manager?

Is it also wierd that we trust IOMMU-the-mapper, but don't trust
IOMMUFD-the-as-manager? There are more IOMMU drivers than IOMMUFD...

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-09  5:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-18  0:11 [PATCH RFC 00/26] Add DMA-buf mapping types and convert vfio/iommufd to use them Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 01/26] dma-buf: Introduce DMA-buf mapping types Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 02/26] dma-buf: Add the SGT DMA mapping type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 03/26] dma-buf: Add dma_buf_mapping_attach() Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 04/26] dma-buf: Route SGT related actions through attach->map_type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 05/26] dma-buf: Allow single exporter drivers to avoid the match_mapping function Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 06/26] drm: Check the SGT ops for drm_gem_map_dma_buf() Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 07/26] dma-buf: Convert all the simple exporters to use SGT mapping type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 08/26] drm/vmwgfx: Use match_mapping instead of dummy calls Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 09/26] accel/habanalabs: Use the SGT mapping type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 10/26] drm/xe/dma-buf: " Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 11/26] drm/amdgpu: " Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 12/26] vfio/pci: Change the DMA-buf exporter to use mapping_type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-13  8:29   ` Baolu Lu
2026-04-13 13:01     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 13/26] dma-buf: Update dma_buf_phys_vec_to_sgt() to use the SGT mapping type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 14/26] iio: buffer: convert " Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 15/26] functionfs: " Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 16/26] dma-buf: Remove unused SGT stuff from the common structures Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 17/26] treewide: Rename dma_buf_map_attachment(_unlocked) to dma_buf_sgt_ Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 18/26] treewide: Rename dma_buf_unmap_attachment(_unlocked) to dma_buf_sgt_* Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 19/26] treewide: Rename dma_buf_attach() to dma_buf_sgt_attach() Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 20/26] treewide: Rename dma_buf_dynamic_attach() to dma_buf_sgt_dynamic_attach() Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 21/26] dma-buf: Add the Physical Address List DMA mapping type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-13  8:58   ` Christian König
2026-04-13 12:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-22  8:17       ` Christian König
2026-04-22 11:53         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-22 12:39           ` Christian König
2026-04-22 13:13             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-22 14:04               ` Christian König
2026-04-22 15:00                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-09  5:31                   ` Xu Yilun [this message]
2026-05-11 22:48                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 22/26] vfio/pci: Add physical address list support to DMABUF Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 23/26] iommufd: Use the PAL mapping type instead of a vfio function Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 24/26] iommufd: Support DMA-bufs with multiple physical ranges Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 25/26] iommufd/selftest: Check multi-phys DMA-buf scenarios Jason Gunthorpe
2026-02-18  0:11 ` [PATCH RFC 26/26] dma-buf: Add kunit tests for mapping type Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-01 19:05 ` [PATCH RFC 00/26] Add DMA-buf mapping types and convert vfio/iommufd to use them Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-03  7:07   ` Kasireddy, Vivek

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