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From: Matt Evans <mattev@meta.com>
To: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Alex Mastro" <amastro@fb.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Mahmoud Adam" <mngyadam@amazon.de>,
	"David Matlack" <dmatlack@google.com>,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"Kevin Tian" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Ankit Agrawal" <ankita@nvidia.com>,
	"Pranjal Shrivastava" <praan@google.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Vivek Kasireddy" <vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/9] vfio/pci: Convert BAR mmap() to use a DMABUF
Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 18:52:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c2601b9c-9265-43da-9321-66db57446807@meta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260506053511.GG11063@unreal>

Hi Leon, Alex, Jason,

On 06/05/2026 06:35, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> 
> On Tue, May 05, 2026 at 08:50:58AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 May 2026 13:49:11 +0300
>> Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, May 04, 2026 at 04:40:41AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Fri, May 01, 2026 at 04:19:15PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>> Exporting dma-bufs from vfio-pci is a feature, but mmap of MMIO BARs is
>>>>> a legacy requirement.  That legacy requirement now depends on
>>>>> PCI_P2PDMA, which depends on 64BIT and ZONE_DEVICE.
>>>>
>>>> That should be split up now, Leon missed it when he added the new
>>>> APIs that didn't require ZONE_DEVICE..
>>>
>>> Sorry, what did I miss here?
>>> VFIO_DMABUF is an optional feature and is enabled only when P2P support is
>>> available. It does not affect legacy systems where P2P cannot be enabled.
>>
>> If we look at the long term view of moving exclusively to cdev/iommufd,
>> where VFIO_DMABUF becomes the mechanism for implementing P2P DMA
>> mappings, VFIO_DMABUF may be optional, but it's highly desirable for
>> legacy compatibility.  There's an argument though that providing P2P
>> compatibility on platforms that support PCI_P2PDMA is probably
>> sufficient.
>>
>> However, in providing mmap of dmabufs as a feature, this series is
>> wiring all mmaps through dmabufs and therefore that dependency becomes
>> fundamental to the use of vfio-pci.  Thus the discussion whether the
>> noted config requirements could be lifted.  Thanks,
> 
> Right, there was no need to remove ZONE_DEVICE when I added my code, and I
> left the task of cleaning it out of is_pci_p2pdma_page() for another day.
> Without ZONE_DEVICE, all pages are treated as non‑P2P.
Just checking I'm following the deps correctly...

If we remove the PCI_P2PDMA dependency on ZONE_DEVICE then (without) 
it's present with P2P hard-disabled (as Leon says).  Already 
`is_pci_p2pdma_page() == false` because folio_is_zone_device() is always 
false in that config.

The only dependency this series adds is for pcim_p2pdma_provider() (and 
support).  We can select PCI_P2PDMA for provider purposes (VFIO!) but if 
!ZONE_DEVICE there's no P2P.

Nothing in PCI_P2PDMA depends on 64BIT and that dependency can be 
removed [1].  (ZONE_DEVICE depends on 64BIT.)

That seems a path to VFIO operating unchanged on 32-bit platforms and 
others without ZONE_DEVICE.

(PCI_P2PDMA currently also depends on NEED_SG_DMA_FLAGS, which seems to 
be unnecessary if !ZONE_DEVICE is preventing P2P pages (no 
sg_dma_mark_bus_address() would happen for example), is that right?)


Then VFIO_PCI depends on a subset of PCI_P2PDMA configuation:

"Diet" PCI_P2PDMA_CORE available even when !ZONE_DEVICE:
  - Compatible with 32-bit platforms; doesn't need to depend on 64BIT
  - Returns a provider, which allows VFIO mmap(), DMABUF mmap().
  - Doesn't allow P2P DMA (eg. via DMABUFs).
  - Doesn't need to select NEED_SG_DMA_FLAGS.

"Classic" PCI_P2PDMA depending on ZONE_DEVICE:
  - Behaves as PCI_P2PDMA does today
  - If ZONE_DEVICE then PCI_P2PDMA enabled, which enables VFIO_PCI_DMABUF

Meaning:

32-bit configs (or 64-bit without ZONE_DEVICE):
  - No P2P anyway
  - VFIO mmap() works
  - VFIO_PCI_DMABUF is disabled (no point enabling DMABUF export since it
    can't be used for its original P2P purpose)

64-bit configs that support ZONE_DEVICE:
  - As today, DMABUF P2P, mmap() of BARs via VFIO or DMABUF


Just added PCI_P2PDMA_CORE and (functionally) ~no code changes are 
needed since disabling P2P just falls out of !ZONE_DEVICE.  But most of 
p2pdma.c does nothing in that config (except for pcim_p2pdma_provider() 
and its support) so benefits from some #ifdef to reduce it.  WDYT about 
a pcip2pdma_core.c containing just the provider management?


Thanks,

Matt

[1]:  The drivers/pci/Kconfig's PCI_P2PDMA states:
   # The need for the scatterlist DMA bus address flag means PCI P2PDMA
   # requires 64bit
I think this isn't quite right as AFAICT the flags are usable on 32b 
too, and actually it's ZONE_DEVICE that requires 64bit.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-14 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-16 13:17 [PATCH 0/9] vfio/pci: Add mmap() for DMABUFs Matt Evans
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 1/9] vfio/pci: Fix vfio_pci_dma_buf_cleanup() double-put Matt Evans
2026-04-24 18:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-01 19:12   ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-06 13:53     ` Matt Evans
2026-05-06 15:29       ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-06 15:55         ` Matt Evans
2026-05-06 16:14           ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-06 16:42             ` Matt Evans
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 2/9] vfio/pci: Add a helper to look up PFNs for DMABUFs Matt Evans
2026-04-24 18:15   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-07 15:48     ` Matt Evans
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 3/9] vfio/pci: Add a helper to create a DMABUF for a BAR-map VMA Matt Evans
2026-04-24 18:24   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-30 16:47     ` Matt Evans
2026-04-30 17:11       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-05 18:13         ` Matt Evans
2026-05-06 19:03           ` Matt Evans
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 4/9] vfio/pci: Convert BAR mmap() to use a DMABUF Matt Evans
2026-05-01 22:19   ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-04  7:40     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-05 10:49       ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-05 14:50         ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-05 14:59           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-06  5:35           ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-14 17:52             ` Matt Evans [this message]
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 5/9] vfio/pci: Provide a user-facing name for BAR mappings Matt Evans
2026-04-24 18:26   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-01 22:44   ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-07 16:56     ` Matt Evans
2026-05-07 17:17       ` Matt Evans
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 6/9] vfio/pci: Clean up BAR zap and revocation Matt Evans
2026-05-01 23:19   ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-05 10:58     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 7/9] vfio/pci: Support mmap() of a VFIO DMABUF Matt Evans
2026-04-24 18:30   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-07 16:09     ` Matt Evans
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 8/9] vfio/pci: Permanently revoke a DMABUF on request Matt Evans
2026-04-16 13:17 ` [PATCH 9/9] vfio/pci: Add mmap() attributes to DMABUF feature Matt Evans
2026-04-24 18:31   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-04-26 10:52     ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-04-27 14:36       ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-11 15:30         ` Matt Evans
2026-05-11 17:51           ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-11 20:09           ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-12 17:51             ` Matt Evans
2026-05-13 18:27               ` Alex Williamson
2026-05-14 13:55                 ` Matt Evans

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