From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list linux-mips); Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:48:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:81.2.110.250] ([IPv6:::ffff:81.2.110.250]:29831 "EHLO localhost.localdomain") by linux-mips.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:47:57 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j6MNEc4I015565; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:14:38 +0100 Received: (from alan@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j6MNEbeT015564; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:14:37 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: alan set sender to alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk using -f Subject: Re: Battery status From: Alan Cox To: Ralf Baechle Cc: Clark Williams , Rodolfo Giometti , linux-mips@linux-mips.org In-Reply-To: <20050722221608.GF3770@linux-mips.org> References: <20050722142205.GE21044@enneenne.com> <1122044036.10743.5.camel@riff> <20050722191732.GB3770@linux-mips.org> <1122066616.10743.33.camel@riff> <20050722212357.GE3770@linux-mips.org> <1122070078.10743.35.camel@riff> <20050722221608.GF3770@linux-mips.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:14:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1122074074.9478.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 (2.2.2-5) Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"|/home/ecartis/ecartis -s linux-mips"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org X-archive-position: 8623 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org X-original-sender: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: linux-mips On Gwe, 2005-07-22 at 18:16 -0400, Ralf Baechle wrote: > Well, and on Monday Linus said about ACPI BIOS writers in front of 80 > kernel developers and an Intel guy on stage "BIOS writers are morons". > Nobody did object and 30s later that was /topic on the #kernel irc > channel ... That would be because the BIOS writers don't get invited. From some of the BIOS people I've talked to I'd say that a) They are not morons they just work in ridiculous situations and timescales b) They don't neccessarily like ACPI either c) Linus attitude is not helpful What I will say from the non x86 end of things is that ACPI is vastly inferior IMHO to things like OpenFirmware, but its Intel and Intel don't seem to like standards they didn't invent. Alan