From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA18112; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:36:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA29606 for linux-list; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:34:26 -0700 Received: from yon.engr.sgi.com (yon.engr.sgi.com [150.166.61.32]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id RAA29600 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:34:24 -0700 Received: (from ariel@localhost) by yon.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA24770; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:34:24 -0700 From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199706180034.RAA24770@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Getting X on Linux/SGI To: jwiede@blammo.engr.sgi.com (John Wiederhirn) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <9706171700.ZM11546@blammo.engr.sgi.com> from "John Wiederhirn" at Jun 17, 97 05:00:11 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME5a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk [note the change in subject] First a note to all SGI linux subscribers: There are about 10 interested parties external to SGI on this list. I just say this so you're all aware of it. : :Given that it's unlikely we'd release the source code to our gfx drivers, : Well, after getting some hardware, that's our next hurdle :-) I believe it would be a very good idea to release the Indy low-level graphics source (even under NDA, although personally, I wouldn't use NDAs) to XFree developers. I'm not even talking amazing 3D or Octane stuff here. Let's first get basic X11 running on Indys then worry about OpenGL / O2s etc. Note that this means getting the basic 2D stuff running. Heck, I can't understand the logic of anyone being so protective about 5 year technology, it is available on every PC with mid-range level graphics by now. : :I realize this comes off as fairly negative, but I'm just trying to explain the :issues involved once gfx gets added to the mix. There would need to be a :buy-in at a very high level of SGI mgmt. before we could start making the :hardware details of our graphics subsystems available (at least the more modern :ones, such as O2, Impact, etc.). : John, lest I sound negative, I don't mean to. I hope all the people on this list can agree on such obvious things. I hope that that fuzzy cloud called "upper level management" will somehow transform into a person I can talk to. My experience is that once you get to the right upper level person, and you state your case sensibly, you get what you want. If anyone on the list knows the people to talk to to get this happen please share. P.S: It is interesting to note how the SPARC port happened despite Sun never releasing low-level stuff (as if they had anything to lose by that) and David's reverse engineering all their stuff. SGI has nothing to lose and everything to gain from cooperation with the hacker's community. Linux is running on Alpha and SPARC by now. We don't want to see Linux running on HP and IBM before it does on our iron, do we ? -- Peace, Ariel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-ID: <199706180034.RAA24770@yon.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Getting X on Linux/SGI Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:34:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9706171700.ZM11546@blammo.engr.sgi.com> from "John Wiederhirn" at Jun 17, 97 05:00:11 pm Reply-To: ariel@sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: John Wiederhirn Cc: linux@yon.engr.sgi.com Message-ID: <19970618003424.E2pxyQMii9KGLf9RUrU7_-6APjXuCB-QEV-Dt3csLvY@z> [note the change in subject] First a note to all SGI linux subscribers: There are about 10 interested parties external to SGI on this list. I just say this so you're all aware of it. : :Given that it's unlikely we'd release the source code to our gfx drivers, : Well, after getting some hardware, that's our next hurdle :-) I believe it would be a very good idea to release the Indy low-level graphics source (even under NDA, although personally, I wouldn't use NDAs) to XFree developers. I'm not even talking amazing 3D or Octane stuff here. Let's first get basic X11 running on Indys then worry about OpenGL / O2s etc. Note that this means getting the basic 2D stuff running. Heck, I can't understand the logic of anyone being so protective about 5 year technology, it is available on every PC with mid-range level graphics by now. : :I realize this comes off as fairly negative, but I'm just trying to explain the :issues involved once gfx gets added to the mix. There would need to be a :buy-in at a very high level of SGI mgmt. before we could start making the :hardware details of our graphics subsystems available (at least the more modern :ones, such as O2, Impact, etc.). : John, lest I sound negative, I don't mean to. I hope all the people on this list can agree on such obvious things. I hope that that fuzzy cloud called "upper level management" will somehow transform into a person I can talk to. My experience is that once you get to the right upper level person, and you state your case sensibly, you get what you want. If anyone on the list knows the people to talk to to get this happen please share. P.S: It is interesting to note how the SPARC port happened despite Sun never releasing low-level stuff (as if they had anything to lose by that) and David's reverse engineering all their stuff. SGI has nothing to lose and everything to gain from cooperation with the hacker's community. Linux is running on Alpha and SPARC by now. We don't want to see Linux running on HP and IBM before it does on our iron, do we ? -- Peace, Ariel