From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id LAA10806; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:11:55 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA12229 for linux-list; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:50:15 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (neteng.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.10]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA12201 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:50:11 -0700 Received: from localhost (lm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA09710; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:50:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199706221750.KAA09710@neteng.engr.sgi.com> To: fisher@sgi.com From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) cc: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com, sca@refugee.engr.sgi.com, carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, fisher@hollywood.engr.sgi.com (William Fisher) Subject: Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:50:07 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk : If the demand for Linux on MIPS chips is comming from the "embedded" : systems then things sure have changed since the early days of : MIPS Computer Systems. I think it is safe to confirm that yes, indeeedy, the market has changed. : If fact the original VP of embedded system marketing at MIPS was : Chet Silvestri, now VP of SPARC embedded systems at SUN. I know Chet, and Chet was real interested in getting some free OS on embedded SPARC when I was at Sun. : Hence I would like to here more about larry's definition of : "embedded systems" because they sure don't sound like any : that our semiconductor partners sell to. I think almost 100% of what I would call embedded Linux on MIPS is for game platforms. What they really want is a full on Unix environment that they can use for development/debugging. When they get done, they want to rip out Linux/Unix and run an app on the bare hardware. They may eventually want to leave a stripped down Linux in there but I don't see why today. What they really want is a reasonable development environment and they are smart enough to realize they get there fastest with Linux. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Message-ID: <199706221750.KAA09710@neteng.engr.sgi.com> From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Subject: Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:50:07 -0700 Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: fisher@sgi.com Cc: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com, sca@refugee.engr.sgi.com, carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, William Fisher Message-ID: <19970622175007.3FwZZev446_LygoFWRxn_UIywsJOk--GonitzIDwo3c@z> : If the demand for Linux on MIPS chips is comming from the "embedded" : systems then things sure have changed since the early days of : MIPS Computer Systems. I think it is safe to confirm that yes, indeeedy, the market has changed. : If fact the original VP of embedded system marketing at MIPS was : Chet Silvestri, now VP of SPARC embedded systems at SUN. I know Chet, and Chet was real interested in getting some free OS on embedded SPARC when I was at Sun. : Hence I would like to here more about larry's definition of : "embedded systems" because they sure don't sound like any : that our semiconductor partners sell to. I think almost 100% of what I would call embedded Linux on MIPS is for game platforms. What they really want is a full on Unix environment that they can use for development/debugging. When they get done, they want to rip out Linux/Unix and run an app on the bare hardware. They may eventually want to leave a stripped down Linux in there but I don't see why today. What they really want is a reasonable development environment and they are smart enough to realize they get there fastest with Linux.