From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA94834 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA78736 for linux-list; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:34:55 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from oz.engr.sgi.com (oz.engr.sgi.com [150.166.42.13]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA04474; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:34:51 -0800 (PST) mail_from (ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from ariel@localhost) by oz.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA55597; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:34:51 -0800 (PST) From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-Id: <199811052134.NAA55597@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Halloween doc II To: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:34:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: from "Alan Cox" at Nov 5, 98 10:18:34 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk : :> 1) Automounting a floppy/CD when it is inserted :> (BTW: IRIX mediad has been doing this for quite a while) : :Yeah we looked at it, and decided it sucked somewhat. Stephen Tweedie :has a slightly different scheme where you can even be sat in a directory :on a changable volume when itchanges and all is fine - its called :supermount : As I said, easy to implement -- difficult to get this as standard into mainstream distributions. Maybe this is where Red Hat / Caldera SuSE etc. need to cooperate and just make things happen. Just focus on those that are the biggest barrier of entry for the Microsoft-versed masses. If we do it, we can make great inroads into the desktop as well. Oh yeah, and of course, now that Corel is funding WINE, we may even get all the MS apps too. : :> 5) Of course, a coherent consistent GUI to manage everything :> from HW devices to access to files etc. Those who need :> the simplicity, will never be willing to do command line :> stuff. : :Have a look at linuxconf, it works, it does the job. The gui just needs a :major rethink : My thought exactly. It is the GUI what makes the non technical average user run away. Hacker don't care enough about GUI's. :> 6) Development tools like VB/VC++ :-) : :Cygnus GNUPro ;) : Good point. People who can afford paying a few hundred dollars for Visual C++ can afford Cygnus GNUPro. Not everything should be free as long as there's someone that got it right and it is available on Linux. I'm glad this reality is not even on MS's radar they just compare "bare" Linux to a fully loaded (with many additional $$$ NT client). :> Someone forward this to Red Hat / Gnome and the XFree86 teams ... : :We've all seen it. : How naive of me to even hint otherwise :-) -- Peace, Ariel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) Message-ID: <199811052134.NAA55597@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Halloween doc II Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:34:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Alan Cox" at Nov 5, 98 10:18:34 pm Reply-To: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: Alan Cox Cc: ariel@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Message-ID: <19981105213451.nVLYodhFGeJiKVcHlwSbdoGTe9WueT4zMH53hN-r85U@z> : :> 1) Automounting a floppy/CD when it is inserted :> (BTW: IRIX mediad has been doing this for quite a while) : :Yeah we looked at it, and decided it sucked somewhat. Stephen Tweedie :has a slightly different scheme where you can even be sat in a directory :on a changable volume when itchanges and all is fine - its called :supermount : As I said, easy to implement -- difficult to get this as standard into mainstream distributions. Maybe this is where Red Hat / Caldera SuSE etc. need to cooperate and just make things happen. Just focus on those that are the biggest barrier of entry for the Microsoft-versed masses. If we do it, we can make great inroads into the desktop as well. Oh yeah, and of course, now that Corel is funding WINE, we may even get all the MS apps too. : :> 5) Of course, a coherent consistent GUI to manage everything :> from HW devices to access to files etc. Those who need :> the simplicity, will never be willing to do command line :> stuff. : :Have a look at linuxconf, it works, it does the job. The gui just needs a :major rethink : My thought exactly. It is the GUI what makes the non technical average user run away. Hacker don't care enough about GUI's. :> 6) Development tools like VB/VC++ :-) : :Cygnus GNUPro ;) : Good point. People who can afford paying a few hundred dollars for Visual C++ can afford Cygnus GNUPro. Not everything should be free as long as there's someone that got it right and it is available on Linux. I'm glad this reality is not even on MS's radar they just compare "bare" Linux to a fully loaded (with many additional $$$ NT client). :> Someone forward this to Red Hat / Gnome and the XFree86 teams ... : :We've all seen it. : How naive of me to even hint otherwise :-) -- Peace, Ariel