From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list linux-mips); Wed, 20 May 2009 19:01:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from exch1.onstor.com ([66.201.51.80]:12518 "EHLO exch1.onstor.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by ftp.linux-mips.org with ESMTP id S20025096AbZETSBN (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 May 2009 19:01:13 +0100 Received: from ripper.onstor.net (10.0.0.42) by exch1.onstor.com (10.0.0.224) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Wed, 20 May 2009 11:01:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:01:05 -0700 From: Andrew Sharp To: Ralf Baechle CC: Laurent GUERBY , Jon Fraser , Andrew Wiley , "linux-mips@linux-mips.org" , "Maciej W. Rozycki" Subject: Re: Bigsur? Message-ID: <20090520110105.6fb81573@ripper.onstor.net> In-Reply-To: <20090519125310.GA17733@linux-mips.org> References: <1242663215.18301.26.camel@chaos.ne.broadcom.com> <20090518222334.GD16847@linux-mips.org> <1242735440.6098.101.camel@localhost> <20090519125310.GA17733@linux-mips.org> Organization: Onstor X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EMS-Proccessed: 2K3Xl1OQTInXD6xxuA8z3Q== X-EMS-STAMP: F1vJUhij/Kk+rd5L/cfEGQ== Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"|/home/ecartis/ecartis -s linux-mips"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org X-archive-position: 22843 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org X-original-sender: andy.sharp@onstor.com Precedence: bulk X-list: linux-mips On Tue, 19 May 2009 05:53:10 -0700 Ralf Baechle wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:17:20PM +0200, Laurent GUERBY wrote: > > > On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 23:47 +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > > Yes, invaluable for native builds and there is a considerable > > > number of software packages which is not capable of being > > > cross-compiled, or requires extreme contortions to be built this > > > way, or if buildable with a reasonable effort, the functionality > > > is limited. Besides a three-stage GCC bootstrap is a good way of > > > verifying the quality of the tool, never mind standard > > > DejaGNU-based regression testing which although possible using > > > cross-tools and a remote target, is awfully painful to be set up > > > this way. > > > > For MIPS in the GCC Compile Farm http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm > > (which is open to all free software, not limited to GCC) we > > have two loongson-2f based netbooks on which a GCC bootstrap > > and check is manageable. > > > > Right now this farm is more oriented towards upstream userland > > developpers debug/test cycles - they get access to 12 architectures > > when they sign in. It's not really oriented towards porting > > kernel/distributions or building distribution packages which is > > already well covered by existing distribution farms and individual > > developpers and those developpers should get priority on new > > hardware :). > > > > This farm project is part of the Free Software Fundation France (a > > french not-for-profit organization) effort to help free software > > development and we accept hardware and hosting donations, and also > > discounts to purchase commercial hardware when donations are not > > possible and there is significant interest in one platform. > > That I think is a great solution for people who need short term access > but doesn't really solve the fundamental problem that hardware with > sufficient punch for efficient native development isn't easily > available. Question: are machines that must be NFS-root and tftp booted acceptable or not acceptable for such work? The machines in question would 750MHz Sibyte 1250s, so 3 Gigabit ports natively, and 2 serial consoles. Cheers, a