From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list linux-mips); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:14508 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by eddie.linux-mips.org with ESMTP id S6859932AbaFYRZbsESO0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:25:31 +0200 Received: from int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.24]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5PHPHYo002436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:25:17 -0400 Received: from tranklukator.brq.redhat.com (dhcp-1-125.brq.redhat.com [10.34.1.125]) by int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id s5PHPDEZ018540; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:25:14 -0400 Received: by tranklukator.brq.redhat.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 500 oleg@redhat.com; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:24:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:24:10 +0200 From: Oleg Nesterov To: Kees Cook Cc: LKML , Andy Lutomirski , "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" , Alexei Starovoitov , Andrew Morton , Daniel Borkmann , Will Drewry , Julien Tinnes , David Drysdale , Linux API , "x86@kernel.org" , "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" , linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-arch , linux-security-module Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 9/9] seccomp: implement SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_TSYNC Message-ID: <20140625172410.GA17133@redhat.com> References: <1403642893-23107-1-git-send-email-keescook@chromium.org> <1403642893-23107-10-git-send-email-keescook@chromium.org> <20140625142121.GD7892@redhat.com> <20140625165209.GA14720@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.24 Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"|/home/ecartis/ecartis -s linux-mips"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org X-archive-position: 40821 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org X-original-sender: oleg@redhat.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: linux-mips X-List-ID: linux-mips List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: linux-mips On 06/25, Kees Cook wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Oleg Nesterov wrote: > > > > Yes, at least this should close the race with suid-exec. And there are no > > other users. Except apparmor, and I hope you will check it because I simply > > do not know what it does ;) > > > >> I wonder if changes to nnp need to "flushed" during syscall entry > >> instead of getting updated externally/asynchronously? That way it > >> won't be out of sync with the seccomp mode/filters. > >> > >> Perhaps secure computing needs to check some (maybe seccomp-only) > >> atomic flags and flip on the "real" nnp if found? > > > > Not sure I understand you, could you clarify? > > Instead of having TSYNC change the nnp bit, it can set a new flag, say: > > task->seccomp.flags |= SECCOMP_NEEDS_NNP; > > This would be set along with seccomp.mode, seccomp.filter, and > TIF_SECCOMP. Then, during the next secure_computing() call that thread > makes, it would check the flag: > > if (task->seccomp.flags & SECCOMP_NEEDS_NNP) > task->nnp = 1; > > This means that nnp couldn't change in the middle of a running syscall. Aha, so you were worried about the same thing. Not sure we need this, but at least I understand you and... > Hmmm. Perhaps this doesn't solve anything, though? Perhaps my proposal > above would actually make things worse, since now we'd have a thread > with seccomp set up, and no nnp. If it was in the middle of exec, > we're still causing a problem. Yes ;) > I think we'd also need a way to either delay the seccomp changes, or > to notice this condition during exec. Bleh. Hmm. confused again, > What actually happens with a multi-threaded process calls exec? I > assume all the other threads are destroyed? Yes. But this is the point-of-no-return, de_thread() is called after the execing thared has already passed (say) check_unsafe_exec(). However, do_execve() takes cred_guard_mutex at the start in prepare_bprm_creds() and drops it in install_exec_creds(), so it should solve the problem? Oleg. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:14508 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by eddie.linux-mips.org with ESMTP id S6859932AbaFYRZbsESO0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:25:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:24:10 +0200 From: Oleg Nesterov Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 9/9] seccomp: implement SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_TSYNC Message-ID: <20140625172410.GA17133@redhat.com> References: <1403642893-23107-1-git-send-email-keescook@chromium.org> <1403642893-23107-10-git-send-email-keescook@chromium.org> <20140625142121.GD7892@redhat.com> <20140625165209.GA14720@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Return-Path: Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: To: Kees Cook Cc: LKML , Andy Lutomirski , "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" , Alexei Starovoitov , Andrew Morton , Daniel Borkmann , Will Drewry , Julien Tinnes , David Drysdale , Linux API , "x86@kernel.org" , "linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" , linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-arch , linux-security-module Message-ID: <20140625172410.G61kDCahbfNPNoHWeanY8pEGSHRSvLLZfNuk24f5YzE@z> On 06/25, Kees Cook wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Oleg Nesterov wrote: > > > > Yes, at least this should close the race with suid-exec. And there are no > > other users. Except apparmor, and I hope you will check it because I simply > > do not know what it does ;) > > > >> I wonder if changes to nnp need to "flushed" during syscall entry > >> instead of getting updated externally/asynchronously? That way it > >> won't be out of sync with the seccomp mode/filters. > >> > >> Perhaps secure computing needs to check some (maybe seccomp-only) > >> atomic flags and flip on the "real" nnp if found? > > > > Not sure I understand you, could you clarify? > > Instead of having TSYNC change the nnp bit, it can set a new flag, say: > > task->seccomp.flags |= SECCOMP_NEEDS_NNP; > > This would be set along with seccomp.mode, seccomp.filter, and > TIF_SECCOMP. Then, during the next secure_computing() call that thread > makes, it would check the flag: > > if (task->seccomp.flags & SECCOMP_NEEDS_NNP) > task->nnp = 1; > > This means that nnp couldn't change in the middle of a running syscall. Aha, so you were worried about the same thing. Not sure we need this, but at least I understand you and... > Hmmm. Perhaps this doesn't solve anything, though? Perhaps my proposal > above would actually make things worse, since now we'd have a thread > with seccomp set up, and no nnp. If it was in the middle of exec, > we're still causing a problem. Yes ;) > I think we'd also need a way to either delay the seccomp changes, or > to notice this condition during exec. Bleh. Hmm. confused again, > What actually happens with a multi-threaded process calls exec? I > assume all the other threads are destroyed? Yes. But this is the point-of-no-return, de_thread() is called after the execing thared has already passed (say) check_unsafe_exec(). However, do_execve() takes cred_guard_mutex at the start in prepare_bprm_creds() and drops it in install_exec_creds(), so it should solve the problem? Oleg.