From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list linux-mips); Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:27:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.9]:36013 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by eddie.linux-mips.org with ESMTP id S27010005AbcAOV1qkJEH3 (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:27:46 +0100 Received: from j217066.upc-j.chello.nl ([24.132.217.66] helo=worktop) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.80.1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1aKBty-00072c-GJ; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:27:24 +0000 Received: by worktop (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA6566E0814; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:27:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:27:14 +0100 From: Peter Zijlstra To: "Paul E. McKenney" Cc: Leonid Yegoshin , Will Deacon , "Michael S. Tsirkin" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann , linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Cooper , Russell King - ARM Linux , virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, Stefano Stabellini , Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , "H. Peter Anvin" , Joe Perches , David Miller , linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-metag@vger.kernel.org, linux-mips@linux-mips.org, x86@kernel.org, user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, adi-buildroot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, Ralf Baechle , Ingo Molnar , ddaney.cavm@gmail.com, james.hogan@imgtec.com, Michael Ellerman Subject: Re: [v3,11/41] mips: reuse asm-generic/barrier.h Message-ID: <20160115212714.GM3421@worktop> References: <20160113104516.GE25458@arm.com> <5696CF08.8080700@imgtec.com> <20160114121449.GC15828@arm.com> <5697F6D2.60409@imgtec.com> <20160114203430.GC3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <56980C91.1010403@imgtec.com> <20160114212913.GF3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20160115085554.GF3421@worktop> <20160115091348.GA27936@worktop> <20160115174612.GV3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160115174612.GV3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22.1 (2013-10-16) Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"|/home/ecartis/ecartis -s linux-mips"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org X-archive-position: 51161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org X-original-sender: peterz@infradead.org Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: linux-mips X-List-ID: linux-mips List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: linux-mips On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 09:46:12AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:13:48AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > And the stuff we're confused about is how best to express the difference > > and guarantees of these two forms of transitivity and how exactly they > > interact. > > Hoping my memory-barrier.txt patch helps here... Yes, that seems a good start. But yesterday you raised the 'fun' point of two globally ordered sequences connected by a single local link. And I think I'm still confused on LWSYNC (in the smp_wmb case) when one of the stores looses a conflict, and if that scenario matters. If it does, we should inspect the same case for other barriers.