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From: Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>
To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/11] mips: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 09:10:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220418071005.GA4075@alpha.franken.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.2204142349180.9383@angie.orcam.me.uk>

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 01:26:48PM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> Hi Jason,
> 
> > >  It depends on the exact system.  Some have a 32-bit high-resolution 
> > > counter in the chipset (arch/mips/kernel/csrc-ioasic.c) giving like 25MHz 
> > > resolution, some have nothing but jiffies.
> > 
> > Alright, so there _are_ machines with no c0 cycles but with a good
> > clock. Yet, 25MHz is still less than the cpu cycle, so this c0 random
> > ORing trick remains useful perhaps.
> 
>  It's not much less than the CPU cycle really, given that the R3k CPUs are 
> clocked at up to 40MHz in the systems concerned and likewise the buggy R4k 
> CPUs run at up to 60MHz (and mind that their CP0 Count register increments 
> at half the clock rate, so the rate is up to 30MHz anyway).  The overhead 
> of the calculation is more than that, let alone the latency and issue rate 
> of an uncached MMIO access to the chipset register.
> 
>  Also the systems I have in mind and that lack a counter in the chipset 
> actually can make use of the buggy CP0 timer, because it's only when CP0 
> timer interrupts are used that the erratum matters, but they use a DS1287 
> RTC interrupt instead unconditionally as the clock event (see the comment 
> at the bottom of arch/mips/dec/time.c).  But this has not been factored in 
> with `can_use_mips_counter' (should it just check for `mips_hpt_frequency' 
> being zero perhaps, meaning the timer interrupt not being used?).
> 
>  Thomas, do you happen to know if any of the SGI systems that we support 
> had buggy early R4k chips?

IP22 has probably seen all buggy MIPS chips produced, so yes I even own
Indy/Indigo2 CPU boards with early R4k chips.

Thomas.

-- 
Crap can work. Given enough thrust pigs will fly, but it's not necessarily a
good idea.                                                [ RFC1925, 2.3 ]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-04-18  7:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-13 11:54 [PATCH v4 00/11] archs/random: fallback to best raw ktime when no cycle counter Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 01/11] timekeeping: add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 14:32   ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 22:38     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14 20:41       ` Rob Herring
2022-04-14 21:49         ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-04-14 10:12   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-14 11:56     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 02/11] m68k: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 03/11] riscv: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 14:40   ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 22:40     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 04/11] mips: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 12:25   ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-13 12:46     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 22:35       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14  1:16         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-14  9:27           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-15 12:26             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 11:09               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-16 14:44                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 22:54                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-18  7:10               ` Thomas Bogendoerfer [this message]
2022-04-23 23:33                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-24  8:15                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-24 10:51                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 05/11] arm: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 06/11] nios2: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-23 13:58   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 07/11] x86: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 08/11] um: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 09/11] sparc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 10/11] xtensa: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 11/11] random: insist on random_get_entropy() existing in order to simplify Jason A. Donenfeld

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