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From: Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>
To: Oliver Hartkopp <socketcan@hartkopp.net>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Hartley Sweeten <hsweeten@visionengravers.com>,
	Ian Abbott <abbotti@mev.co.uk>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Kevin Cernekee <cernekee@gmail.com>,
	Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
	Manuel Lauss <manuel.lauss@gmail.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	Robert Jarzmik <robert.jarzmik@free.fr>,
	YOKOTA Hiroshi <yokota@netlab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp>,
	bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-can@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/6] pcmcia: separate 16-bit support from cardbus
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:54:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230227205446.udsl5tbnzzo4dhi4@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c5f1e652-b7e7-ff79-11e3-8c5c91011b83@hartkopp.net>

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On 27.02.2023 21:32:40, Oliver Hartkopp wrote:
> On 27.02.23 20:53, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, at 20:07, Oliver Hartkopp wrote:
> 
> > > I assume these CAN bus PCMCIA interfaces won't work after your patch
> > > set, right?
> > 
> > Correct, the patch series in its current form breaks this since
> > your laptop is cardbus compatible. The options I can see are:
> > 
> > - abandon my series and keep everything unchanged, possibly removing
> >    some of the pcmcia drivers that Dominik identified as candidates
> > 
> > - decide on a future timeline for when you are comfortable with
> >    discontinuing this setup and require any CAN users with cardbus
> >    laptops to move to USB or cardbus CAN adapters, apply the series
> >    then
> > 
> > - duplicate the yenta_socket driver to have two variants of that,
> >    require the user to choose between the cardbus and the pcmcia
> >    variant depending on what card is going to be used.
> > 
> > Can you give more background on who is using the EMS PCMCIA card?
> > I.e. are there reasons to use this device on modern kernels with
> > machines that could also support the USB, expresscard or cardbus
> > variants, or are you likely the only one doing this for the
> > purpose of maintaining the driver?
> 
> Haha, good point.
> 
> In fact the EMS PCMCIA, the PEAK PCMCIA (PCAN PC Card) and the supported
> Softing PCMCIA cards are nearly 20 year old designs and they are all
> discontinued for some time now. Today you can easily get a high performance
> Classical CAN USB adapter with an excellent OSS firmware for ~13 EUR.
> 
> The only other laptop CAN "Cards" I'm aware of are PCIe "ExpressCard" 34/54
> from PEAK System which use the PCI subsystem.
> 
> Maybe you are right and we should simply drop the support for those old
> PCMCIA drivers which will still be supported for the LTS 6.1 lifetime then.
> 
> @Marc Kleine-Budde: What do you think about removing these three drivers?

I don't have any of these cards, nor any $CUSTOMER who's using it.

Marc

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-27 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-27 13:34 [RFC 0/6] pcmcia: separate 16-bit support from cardbus Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 13:34 ` [RFC 1/6] pccard: remove bcm63xx socket driver Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 21:33   ` Florian Fainelli
2023-03-14  8:53     ` Maxime Bizon
2023-02-27 13:34 ` [RFC 2/6] pccard: split cardbus support from pcmcia Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 13:34 ` [RFC 4/6] yenta_socket: remove dead code Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 13:34 ` [RFC 5/6] pccard: drop remnants of cardbus support Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 13:34 ` [RFC 6/6] pci: hotplug: move cardbus code from drivers/pcmcia Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 19:07 ` [RFC 0/6] pcmcia: separate 16-bit support from cardbus Oliver Hartkopp
2023-02-27 19:53   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 20:32     ` Oliver Hartkopp
2023-02-27 20:54       ` Marc Kleine-Budde [this message]
2023-02-27 20:15 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-02-27 21:04   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-28 22:45   ` David Laight
2023-02-28 22:55     ` David Laight
2023-02-27 20:23 ` Larry Finger
2023-02-27 20:38   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-27 20:59     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-02-27 21:09     ` Larry Finger
2023-02-27 21:30       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-28  3:57         ` Larry Finger
2023-02-28  8:37           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-01  1:13             ` Larry Finger
2023-03-01  8:01               ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-28 21:35 ` Ondrej Zary

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