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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Aaro Koskinen <aaro.koskinen@iki.fi>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] lib/crypto: mips: Drop optimized MD5 code
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:08:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260419010835.GB18115@quark> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aeQjj0J1k7siaqOF@darkstar.musicnaut.iki.fi>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2026 at 03:36:31AM +0300, Aaro Koskinen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 01:48:24PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > MD5 is obsolete.  Continuing to maintain architecture-optimized
> > implementations of MD5 is unnecessary and risky.  It diverts resources
> > from the modern algorithms that are actually important.
> > 
> > While there was demand for continuing to maintain the PowerPC optimized
> > MD5 code to accommodate userspace programs that are misusing AF_ALG
> > (https://lore.kernel.org/linux-crypto/c4191597-341d-4fd7-bc3d-13daf7666c41@csgroup.eu/),
> > no such demand has been seen for the MIPS Cavium Octeon optimized MD5
> > code.  Note that this code runs on only one particular line of SoCs.
> > 
> > Thus, let's drop it and focus effort on the more modern SHA algorithms,
> > which already have optimized code for the same SoCs.
> 
> I don't mind deleting this (I shut down all my MIPS hardware already
> in new year 2020 to start a "fresh" decade), but just for the record,
> this will probably downgrade the performance of TCP_MD5SIG which I recall
> was the original reason this code got added...

Sure, for any removal of optimized code it's always possible to
hypothesize a case where it regresses performance.  The question is
whether it actually matters and is worth keeping around.  You mentioned
that you did care about this code, but no longer do.  I think anyone who
may have cared about this in the past is likely to have had a similar
experience.

After all, the only line of SoCs that could run this code switched from
MIPS to ARM in 2016.  Meanwhile, TCP-MD5 itself is insecure and has been
superseded by TCP-AO.  (Note that TCP-AO supports HMAC-SHA1 and
HMAC-SHA256, which are still accelerated on MIPS Cavium Octeon.)

Yes, there are still people using TCP-MD5 anyway (on some platforms, not
necessarily this particular one).  But a nudge towards upgrading to
TCP-AO isn't necessarily a bad thing, either...

> Also that PowerPC case about "misusing AF_ALG" is interesting - I often do
> similar on small systems (just to save binary space and avoid duplicate
> implementation) - why AF_ALG even allows such use if it's considered
> a bug?

It's just a mistake from a long time ago (2010) that still has to be
maintained for backwards compatibility.  It's not something that would
be accepted in the kernel if it was proposed today.

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-19  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-26 20:48 [PATCH] lib/crypto: mips: Drop optimized MD5 code Eric Biggers
2026-03-27 16:16 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2026-03-30 19:36 ` Eric Biggers
2026-04-19  0:36 ` Aaro Koskinen
2026-04-19  1:08   ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2026-04-19  1:43     ` Eric Biggers

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