smtc support

smtc support

[Anoop P A]

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Hi List,
I have got a reference board with mips 34k core SOC.I am planning to enable
smtc/smp support . The reference kernel I am having is linux-2.6.18 which is
in uniprocessor mode.

 Could any of you suggest me in which way i have to proceed?. Does it make
sense to continue using 2.6.18 or port newer kernel version ( which might be
having better SMTC/SMP support)?

Thanks
An

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Re: smtc support

[Kevin D. Kissell]

As the guy who wrote the SMTC stuff, I'd recommend picking up something 
newer.  Ralf has merged some of the subsequent improvements and fixes 
into 2.6.18, but not the patches that I made last year to allow tickless 
support, which is actually a very, very good thing to have for SMTC.  
That support was initially available in 2.6.24, but subsequently got 
broken by some changes to control register manipulation APIs that I 
identified and fixed a few months ago.  Ralf back-merged them into 
several recent baselines, but I'm not sure which ones. 2.6.29-stable 
seems to have all the right patches applied for SMTC, but of course I 
can't tell whether there would be other issues for your platform.

          Regards,

          Kevin K.

Anoop P A wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I have got a reference board with mips 34k core SOC.I am planning to 
> enable smtc/smp support . The reference kernel I am having is 
> linux-2.6.18 which is in uniprocessor mode.
>
>  Could any of you suggest me in which way i have to proceed?. Does it 
> make sense to continue using 2.6.18 or port newer kernel version ( 
> which might be having better SMTC/SMP support)? 
>
> Thanks
> An

Re: smtc support

[Anoop P A]

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Thanks for your inputs.

My platforms support is not available in lmo kernel.( So I am free to use
any version of kernel :) )

Since you are the guy who wrote SMTC stuff , I think you are the right
person to answer few of my queries. How much performance improvement you are
getting in SMTC mode. Will it give us any reasonable performance
improvements.( As I could see some other negaive comments . just curious!).
Does it make sence to use SMP ( my SOC is having 2 VPE each with couple of
threads).

Thanks
An



On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Kevin D. Kissell <kevink@paralogos.com>wrote:

> As the guy who wrote the SMTC stuff, I'd recommend picking up something
> newer.  Ralf has merged some of the subsequent improvements and fixes into
> 2.6.18, but not the patches that I made last year to allow tickless support,
> which is actually a very, very good thing to have for SMTC.  That support
> was initially available in 2.6.24, but subsequently got broken by some
> changes to control register manipulation APIs that I identified and fixed a
> few months ago.  Ralf back-merged them into several recent baselines, but
> I'm not sure which ones. 2.6.29-stable seems to have all the right patches
> applied for SMTC, but of course I can't tell whether there would be other
> issues for your platform.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Kevin K.
>
>
> Anoop P A wrote:
>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I have got a reference board with mips 34k core SOC.I am planning to
>> enable smtc/smp support . The reference kernel I am having is linux-2.6.18
>> which is in uniprocessor mode.
>>
>>  Could any of you suggest me in which way i have to proceed?. Does it make
>> sense to continue using 2.6.18 or port newer kernel version ( which might be
>> having better SMTC/SMP support)?
>> Thanks
>> An
>>
>
>

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Re: smtc support

[Kevin D. Kissell]

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Performance impact of SMTC varies enormously with the job mix and the 
system configuration.  The 34K core is based on the 24K pipeline, which 
is pretty efficient, so  if you're not missing in the caches or doing a 
lot of targeted multiplies, there's not always a whole lot of dead 
cycles to fill with multiple threads.  And to sponge up cache miss stall 
cycles, the memory controller has to be able to handle the multiple 
streams of outstanding requests, which isn't the case in some systems 
that were originally designed for the 24K.  I gave a paper at the HiPEAC 
conference last January which showed performance impact on various 
microbenchmarks of SMTC.  This looks to (finally) be freely downloadable 
at http://www.springerlink.com/index/787307253g2644h4.pdf

If you're not planning on doing anything else with the other VPE (i.e. 
RTOS or some other scheduling domain), using it for virtual SMP is an 
option.  The kernel will be a little smaller than SMTC, and some 
internal functions will be faster.  You'll be limited to 2-way 
parallelism, but going from 1 to 2 is always the step that gives the 
biggest performance increase. The general pattern seems to be that going 
from 2 to 3 gives you half again what you got from 1->2, three to for 
gives you half again what you got from 2->3, etc., up to the point where 
the pipeline saturates or you start thrashing the cache.  Most of the 
experiments I ran showed the sweet spot to be 3 or 4 threads per core. 
SMTC also has the slight advantage of making all threads use a common 
ASID space and share the same TLB, while the VPE SMP scheme splits the 
TLB between the two VPEs.  This makes a difference if you're running 
with large, parallel working sets, but you won't see much of an impact 
on small benchmarks.

I think that the biggest potential advantage of SMTC probably comes not 
from increasing throughput per se, but from using it in conjunction with 
the YIELD instruction to provide zero-latency user-mode event handling, 
but one has to have the right signals wired to the YQ inputs of the core 
to exploit it.

             Regards,

             Kevin K.

Anoop P A wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for your inputs. 
>
> My platforms support is not available in lmo kernel.( So I am free to 
> use any version of kernel :) ) 
>
> Since you are the guy who wrote SMTC stuff , I think you are the right 
> person to answer few of my queries. How much performance improvement 
> you are getting in SMTC mode. Will it give us any reasonable 
> performance improvements.( As I could see some other negaive comments 
> . just curious!). Does it make sence to use SMP ( my SOC is having 2 
> VPE each with couple of threads). 
>
> Thanks
> An
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Kevin D. Kissell 
> <kevink@paralogos.com <mailto:kevink@paralogos.com>> wrote:
>
>     As the guy who wrote the SMTC stuff, I'd recommend picking up
>     something newer.  Ralf has merged some of the subsequent
>     improvements and fixes into 2.6.18, but not the patches that I
>     made last year to allow tickless support, which is actually a
>     very, very good thing to have for SMTC.  That support was
>     initially available in 2.6.24, but subsequently got broken by some
>     changes to control register manipulation APIs that I identified
>     and fixed a few months ago.  Ralf back-merged them into several
>     recent baselines, but I'm not sure which ones. 2.6.29-stable seems
>     to have all the right patches applied for SMTC, but of course I
>     can't tell whether there would be other issues for your platform.
>
>             Regards,
>
>             Kevin K.
>
>
>     Anoop P A wrote:
>
>         Hi List,
>
>         I have got a reference board with mips 34k core SOC.I am
>         planning to enable smtc/smp support . The reference kernel I
>         am having is linux-2.6.18 which is in uniprocessor mode.
>
>          Could any of you suggest me in which way i have to proceed?.
>         Does it make sense to continue using 2.6.18 or port newer
>         kernel version ( which might be having better SMTC/SMP support)?
>         Thanks
>         An
>
>
>


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