From: David Daney <ddaney.cavm@gmail.com>
To: Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>
Cc: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>,
linux-mips@linux-mips.org, Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Single MIPS kernel
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:10:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54481D4C.5090602@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141022204209.GE12502@linux-mips.org>
On 10/22/2014 01:42 PM, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:19:07PM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
>
>>>> Another reason is that the protocol between the bootloader and the kernel
>>>> varies by platform. So you would have to have several different entry
>>>> points, one for each booting protocol.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure how the bootloaders would know which entry point to use.
>>>
>>> That's where I foresaw the needs for the ISA style platform probe right
>>> at the kernel entry point before fanning out to a platform-specific
>>> entry point.
>>>
>>> Since we already support compressed kernels I'm wondering if relocation
>>> might also be performed by the compression wrapper along with the
>>> hardware probe. That would leave the vmlinux itself untouched and
>>> the wrapper could be installed on the target.
>>
>> Wouldn't it make sense to make a unified kernel virtually mapped? That
>> would avoid the issue with RAM being present at different locations across
>> systems and also if big pages were used, that I believe are available
>> almost universally across the MIPS family, any performance hit would be
>> minimal. There would be hardly any increase in the binary image size too.
>> Run-time mappings such as `kmalloc' or `ioremap' could continue using
>> unmapped segments.
>
> I think some MIPS III CPUs were restricted to just 4MB max. page size.
> NEC VR4xxx I think. Still a pair would map 8MB which on the affected
> small memory systems should suffice. 16MB, 64MB are more typical sizes.
>
> R3000 is a different kettle. To 4k or not to 4k is not a question ;-)
>
> Now mapping the kernel alone wouldn't solve the security issue mentioned
> by David. The image would still lie around in KSEG0 / XKPHYS for whatever
> wants to run over so that should ideally also be a flexible address.
>
> Otoh the mapped kernel certainly would have the lowest size overhead.
> I have faint memories of restrictions for TLB instructions or was it
> TLB exception handlers into mapped space, would have to do some rtfming
> on that topic.
>
> Years ago I did test the impact of one less available TLB entry with
> lmbench; the loss was around 2%. That was on a CPU with 64 entries.
>
We have a private patch that does exactly this, the main motivation was
to place the kernel in the same virtual address 256MB region as the
modules, so that a direct calling sequence can be used in modules.
The resulting module code is much faster, so depending on the work load
it may be a performance win. We see things like IPv6 forwarding
improving something like 6% when IPv6 is built as a module.
Also we have many more TLB entries (128, or 256) so losing one is not a
big deal.
David Daney
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-22 21:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-22 8:34 Single MIPS kernel Ralf Baechle
2014-10-22 10:53 ` John Crispin
2014-10-22 17:36 ` Florian Fainelli
2014-10-22 17:56 ` David Daney
2014-10-22 19:05 ` Ralf Baechle
2014-10-22 19:19 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2014-10-22 20:42 ` Ralf Baechle
2014-10-22 21:10 ` David Daney [this message]
2014-10-22 21:53 ` James Hogan
2014-10-22 21:53 ` James Hogan
2014-10-22 22:18 ` David Daney
2014-10-22 18:03 ` David Daney
2014-10-22 19:20 ` Ralf Baechle
2014-10-22 22:15 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-10-22 23:22 ` Ralf Baechle
2014-10-23 1:02 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-10-23 3:13 ` Joshua Kinard
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