From: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/11] timekeeping: add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy()
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:32:34 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL_JsqJYq5Oe_zBbcwYNMpfpqGLGCyaSfGqOrPjZ_Pj=nF73mA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220413115411.21489-2-Jason@zx2c4.com>
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 6:55 AM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
>
> The addition of random_get_entropy_fallback() provides access to
> whichever time source has the highest frequency, which is useful for
> gathering entropy on platforms without available cycle counters. It's
> not necessarily as good as being able to quickly access a cycle counter
> that the CPU has, but it's still something, even when it falls back to
> being jiffies-based.
>
> In the event that a given arch does not define get_cycles(), falling
> back to the get_cycles() default implementation that returns 0 is really
> not the best we can do. Instead, at least calling
> random_get_entropy_fallback() would be preferable, because that always
> needs to return _something_, even falling back to jiffies eventually.
> It's not as though random_get_entropy_fallback() is super high precision
> or guaranteed to be entropic, but basically anything that's not zero all
> the time is better than returning zero all the time.
>
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
> Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> ---
> include/linux/timex.h | 8 ++++++++
> kernel/time/timekeeping.c | 10 ++++++++++
> 2 files changed, 18 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/include/linux/timex.h b/include/linux/timex.h
> index 5745c90c8800..fbbe34226044 100644
> --- a/include/linux/timex.h
> +++ b/include/linux/timex.h
> @@ -62,6 +62,8 @@
> #include <linux/types.h>
> #include <linux/param.h>
>
> +extern unsigned long random_get_entropy_fallback(void);
> +
> #include <asm/timex.h>
>
> #ifndef random_get_entropy
> @@ -74,8 +76,14 @@
> *
> * By default we use get_cycles() for this purpose, but individual
> * architectures may override this in their asm/timex.h header file.
> + * If a given arch does not have get_cycles(), then we fallback to
'does not have a usable get_cycles(), ...' as clearly some arches have
get_cycles() and yet still need a fallback.
Why not handle the 'if get_cycles() returns 0 do the fallback' within
a weak random_get_entropy() function? Then more arches don't need any
random_get_entropy() implementation.
Rob
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-04-13 14:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-13 11:54 [PATCH v4 00/11] archs/random: fallback to best raw ktime when no cycle counter Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 01/11] timekeeping: add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 14:32 ` Rob Herring [this message]
2022-04-13 22:38 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14 20:41 ` Rob Herring
2022-04-14 21:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-04-14 10:12 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-14 11:56 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 02/11] m68k: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 03/11] riscv: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 14:40 ` Rob Herring
2022-04-13 22:40 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 04/11] mips: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 12:25 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-13 12:46 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 22:35 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-14 1:16 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-14 9:27 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-15 12:26 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 11:09 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-16 14:44 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-16 22:54 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-18 7:10 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-04-23 23:33 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-24 8:15 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-24 10:51 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 05/11] arm: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 06/11] nios2: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-23 13:58 ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 07/11] x86: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 08/11] um: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 09/11] sparc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 10/11] xtensa: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-13 11:54 ` [PATCH v4 11/11] random: insist on random_get_entropy() existing in order to simplify Jason A. Donenfeld
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