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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: maobibo <maobibo@loongson.cn>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	 Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Tianrui Zhao <zhaotianrui@loongson.cn>,
	 Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	 Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	 Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	 Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,  loongarch@lists.linux.dev,
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	kvm-riscv@lists.infradead.org,  linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	David Stevens <stevensd@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 64/84] KVM: LoongArch: Mark "struct page" pfns dirty only in "slow" page fault path
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2024 16:22:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZrFezgVbCI3DRQH3@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <345d89c1-4f31-6b49-2cd4-a0696210fa7c@loongson.cn>

On Sat, Aug 03, 2024, maobibo wrote:
> On 2024/8/3 上午3:32, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 02, 2024, maobibo wrote:
> > > On 2024/7/27 上午7:52, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > Mark pages/folios dirty only the slow page fault path, i.e. only when
> > > > mmu_lock is held and the operation is mmu_notifier-protected, as marking a
> > > > page/folio dirty after it has been written back can make some filesystems
> > > > unhappy (backing KVM guests will such filesystem files is uncommon, and
> > > > the race is minuscule, hence the lack of complaints).
> > > > 
> > > > See the link below for details.
> > > > 
> > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/cover.1683044162.git.lstoakes@gmail.com
> > > > Signed-off-by: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
> > > > ---
> > > >    arch/loongarch/kvm/mmu.c | 18 ++++++++++--------
> > > >    1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
> > > > 
> > > > diff --git a/arch/loongarch/kvm/mmu.c b/arch/loongarch/kvm/mmu.c
> > > > index 2634a9e8d82c..364dd35e0557 100644
> > > > --- a/arch/loongarch/kvm/mmu.c
> > > > +++ b/arch/loongarch/kvm/mmu.c
> > > > @@ -608,13 +608,13 @@ static int kvm_map_page_fast(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, unsigned long gpa, bool writ
> > > >    		if (kvm_pte_young(changed))
> > > >    			kvm_set_pfn_accessed(pfn);
> > > > -		if (kvm_pte_dirty(changed)) {
> > > > -			mark_page_dirty(kvm, gfn);
> > > > -			kvm_set_pfn_dirty(pfn);
> > > > -		}
> > > >    		if (page)
> > > >    			put_page(page);
> > > >    	}
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (kvm_pte_dirty(changed))
> > > > +		mark_page_dirty(kvm, gfn);
> > > > +
> > > >    	return ret;
> > > >    out:
> > > >    	spin_unlock(&kvm->mmu_lock);
> > > > @@ -915,12 +915,14 @@ static int kvm_map_page(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, unsigned long gpa, bool write)
> > > >    	else
> > > >    		++kvm->stat.pages;
> > > >    	kvm_set_pte(ptep, new_pte);
> > > > -	spin_unlock(&kvm->mmu_lock);
> > > > -	if (prot_bits & _PAGE_DIRTY) {
> > > > -		mark_page_dirty_in_slot(kvm, memslot, gfn);
> > > > +	if (writeable)
> > > Is it better to use write or (prot_bits & _PAGE_DIRTY) here?  writable is
> > > pte permission from function hva_to_pfn_slow(), write is fault action.
> > 
> > Marking folios dirty in the slow/full path basically necessitates marking the
> > folio dirty if KVM creates a writable SPTE, as KVM won't mark the folio dirty
> > if/when _PAGE_DIRTY is set.
> > 
> > Practically speaking, I'm 99.9% certain it doesn't matter.  The folio is marked
> > dirty by core MM when the folio is made writable, and cleaning the folio triggers
> > an mmu_notifier invalidation.  I.e. if the page is mapped writable in KVM's
> yes, it is. Thanks for the explanation. kvm_set_pfn_dirty() can be put only
> in slow page fault path. I only concern with fault type, read fault type can
> set pte entry writable however not _PAGE_DIRTY at stage-2 mmu table.
> 
> > stage-2 PTEs, then its folio has already been marked dirty.
> Considering one condition although I do not know whether it exists actually.
> user mode VMM writes the folio with hva address firstly, then VCPU thread
> *reads* the folio. With primary mmu table, pte entry is writable and
> _PAGE_DIRTY is set, with secondary mmu table(state-2 PTE table), it is
> pte_none since the filio is accessed at first time, so there will be slow
> page fault path for stage-2 mmu page table filling.
> 
> Since it is read fault, stage-2 PTE will be created with _PAGE_WRITE(coming
> from function hva_to_pfn_slow()), however _PAGE_DIRTY is not set. Do we need
> call kvm_set_pfn_dirty() at this situation?

If KVM doesn't mark the folio dirty when the stage-2 _PAGE_DIRTY flag is set,
i.e. as proposed in this series, then yes, KVM needs to call kvm_set_pfn_dirty()
even though the VM hasn't (yet) written to the memory.  In practice, KVM calling
kvm_set_pfn_dirty() is redundant the majority of the time, as the stage-1 PTE
will have _PAGE_DIRTY set, and that will get propagated to the folio when the
primary MMU does anything relevant with the PTE.  And for file systems that care
about writeback, odds are very good that the folio was marked dirty even earlier,
when MM invoked vm_operations_struct.page_mkwrite().

The reason I am pushing to have all architectures mark pages/folios dirty in the
slow page fault path is that a false positive (marking a folio dirty without the
folio ever being written in _any_ context since the last pte_mkclean()) is rare,
and at worst results an unnecessary writeback.  On the other hand, marking folios
dirty in fast page fault handlers (or anywhere else that isn't protected by
mmu_notifiers) is technically unsafe.

In other words, the intent is to sacrifice accuracy to improve stability/robustness,
because the vast majority of time the loss in accuracy has no effect, and the worst
case scenario is that the kernel does I/O that wasn't necessary.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-05 23:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-26 23:51 [PATCH v12 00/84] KVM: Stop grabbing references to PFNMAP'd pages Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 01/84] KVM: arm64: Release pfn, i.e. put page, if copying MTE tags hits ZONE_DEVICE Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31 16:23   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-31 20:36     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01 10:07   ` Marc Zyngier
2024-08-07 14:15   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-08-08  9:54     ` Steven Price
2024-08-22 14:24   ` (subset) " Marc Zyngier
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 02/84] KVM: arm64: Disallow copying MTE to guest memory while KVM is dirty logging Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01  7:34   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2024-08-01 18:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05  7:57       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2024-08-05 22:09         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-07 16:21   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-08-08  9:54     ` Steven Price
2024-08-22 14:24   ` (subset) " Marc Zyngier
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 03/84] KVM: Drop KVM_ERR_PTR_BAD_PAGE and instead return NULL to indicate an error Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01  8:57   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 04/84] KVM: Allow calling kvm_release_page_{clean,dirty}() on a NULL page pointer Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01  9:03   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 05/84] KVM: Add kvm_release_page_unused() API to put pages that KVM never consumes Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01  9:20   ` Alex Bennée
2024-08-01 14:43     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 06/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Skip the "try unsync" path iff the old SPTE was a leaf SPTE Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 07/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Mark folio dirty when creating SPTE, not when zapping/modifying Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 08/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Mark page/folio accessed only when zapping leaf SPTEs Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 09/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Don't force flush if SPTE update clears Accessed bit Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 10/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Use gfn_to_page_many_atomic() when prefetching indirect PTEs Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 11/84] KVM: Rename gfn_to_page_many_atomic() to kvm_prefetch_pages() Sean Christopherson
2024-08-02 11:16   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 12/84] KVM: Drop @atomic param from gfn=>pfn and hva=>pfn APIs Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01  9:31   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 13/84] KVM: Annotate that all paths in hva_to_pfn() might sleep Sean Christopherson
2024-08-08 12:00   ` Alex Bennée
2024-08-08 13:16     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-08 15:18       ` Alex Bennée
2024-08-08 15:31         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-08 16:16           ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 14/84] KVM: Replace "async" pointer in gfn=>pfn with "no_wait" and error code Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 15/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Drop kvm_page_fault.hva, i.e. don't track intermediate hva Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 16/84] KVM: Drop unused "hva" pointer from __gfn_to_pfn_memslot() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 17/84] KVM: Introduce kvm_follow_pfn() to eventually replace "gfn_to_pfn" APIs Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 18/84] KVM: Remove pointless sanity check on @map param to kvm_vcpu_(un)map() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 19/84] KVM: Explicitly initialize all fields at the start of kvm_vcpu_map() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 20/84] KVM: Use NULL for struct page pointer to indicate mremapped memory Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 21/84] KVM: nVMX: Rely on kvm_vcpu_unmap() to track validity of eVMCS mapping Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 22/84] KVM: nVMX: Drop pointless msr_bitmap_map field from struct nested_vmx Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 23/84] KVM: nVMX: Add helper to put (unmap) vmcs12 pages Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 24/84] KVM: Use plain "struct page" pointer instead of single-entry array Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01  9:53   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 25/84] KVM: Provide refcounted page as output field in struct kvm_follow_pfn Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 26/84] KVM: Move kvm_{set,release}_page_{clean,dirty}() helpers up in kvm_main.c Sean Christopherson
2024-08-01  9:55   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 27/84] KVM: pfncache: Precisely track refcounted pages Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 28/84] KVM: Migrate kvm_vcpu_map() to kvm_follow_pfn() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 29/84] KVM: Pin (as in FOLL_PIN) pages during kvm_vcpu_map() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 30/84] KVM: nVMX: Mark vmcs12's APIC access page dirty when unmapping Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 31/84] KVM: Pass in write/dirty to kvm_vcpu_map(), not kvm_vcpu_unmap() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 32/84] KVM: Get writable mapping for __kvm_vcpu_map() only when necessary Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 33/84] KVM: Disallow direct access (w/o mmu_notifier) to unpinned pfn by default Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 34/84] KVM: Add a helper to lookup a pfn without grabbing a reference Sean Christopherson
2024-07-30 10:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-30 20:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31 10:11       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 35/84] KVM: x86: Use kvm_lookup_pfn() to check if retrying #PF is useful Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 36/84] KVM: x86: Use kvm_lookup_pfn() to check if APIC access page was installed Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 37/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Add "mmu" prefix fault-in helpers to free up generic names Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 38/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Put direct prefetched pages via kvm_release_page_clean() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 39/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Add common helper to handle prefetching SPTEs Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 40/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Add helper to "finish" handling a guest page fault Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 41/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Mark pages/folios dirty at the origin of make_spte() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-30  8:57   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 42/84] KVM: Move declarations of memslot accessors up in kvm_host.h Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 43/84] KVM: Add kvm_faultin_pfn() to specifically service guest page faults Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 44/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Convert page fault paths to kvm_faultin_pfn() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 45/84] KVM: guest_memfd: Provide "struct page" as output from kvm_gmem_get_pfn() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-30  9:05   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-30 20:00     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31 10:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 46/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Put refcounted pages instead of blindly releasing pfns Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 47/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Don't mark unused faultin pages as accessed Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 48/84] KVM: Move x86's API to release a faultin page to common KVM Sean Christopherson
2024-07-30  8:58   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-30 19:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31 10:18       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 49/84] KVM: VMX: Hold mmu_lock until page is released when updating APIC access page Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:51 ` [PATCH v12 50/84] KVM: VMX: Use __kvm_faultin_page() to get APIC access page/pfn Sean Christopherson
2024-07-30  8:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 51/84] KVM: PPC: e500: Mark "struct page" dirty in kvmppc_e500_shadow_map() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 52/84] KVM: PPC: e500: Mark "struct page" pfn accessed before dropping mmu_lock Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 53/84] KVM: PPC: e500: Use __kvm_faultin_pfn() to handle page faults Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 54/84] KVM: arm64: Mark "struct page" pfns accessed/dirty before dropping mmu_lock Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05 23:25   ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-05 23:26     ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-05 23:53       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-05 23:56         ` Oliver Upton
2024-08-06  8:55       ` Marc Zyngier
2024-08-06 15:19         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-06  8:24     ` Fuad Tabba
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 55/84] KVM: arm64: Use __kvm_faultin_pfn() to handle memory aborts Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 56/84] KVM: RISC-V: Mark "struct page" pfns dirty iff a stage-2 PTE is installed Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31  8:11   ` Andrew Jones
2024-08-06 15:03   ` Anup Patel
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 57/84] KVM: RISC-V: Mark "struct page" pfns accessed before dropping mmu_lock Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31  8:12   ` Andrew Jones
2024-08-06 15:04   ` Anup Patel
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 58/84] KVM: RISC-V: Use kvm_faultin_pfn() when mapping pfns into the guest Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31  8:11   ` Andrew Jones
2024-08-06 15:04   ` Anup Patel
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 59/84] KVM: PPC: Use __kvm_faultin_pfn() to handle page faults on Book3s HV Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 60/84] KVM: PPC: Use __kvm_faultin_pfn() to handle page faults on Book3s Radix Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 61/84] KVM: PPC: Drop unused @kvm_ro param from kvmppc_book3s_instantiate_page() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 62/84] KVM: PPC: Book3S: Mark "struct page" pfns dirty/accessed after installing PTE Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 63/84] KVM: PPC: Use kvm_faultin_pfn() to handle page faults on Book3s PR Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 64/84] KVM: LoongArch: Mark "struct page" pfns dirty only in "slow" page fault path Sean Christopherson
2024-08-02  7:53   ` maobibo
2024-08-02 19:32     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-03  3:02       ` maobibo
2024-08-05 23:22         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-08-06  1:16           ` maobibo
2024-08-08 11:38   ` maobibo
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 65/84] KVM: LoongArch: Mark "struct page" pfns accessed " Sean Christopherson
2024-08-02  7:34   ` maobibo
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 66/84] KVM: LoongArch: Mark "struct page" pfn accessed before dropping mmu_lock Sean Christopherson
2024-08-08 11:47   ` maobibo
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 67/84] KVM: LoongArch: Use kvm_faultin_pfn() to map pfns into the guest Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 68/84] KVM: MIPS: Mark "struct page" pfns dirty only in "slow" page fault path Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 69/84] KVM: MIPS: Mark "struct page" pfns accessed " Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 70/84] KVM: MIPS: Mark "struct page" pfns accessed prior to dropping mmu_lock Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 71/84] KVM: MIPS: Use kvm_faultin_pfn() to map pfns into the guest Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 72/84] KVM: PPC: Remove extra get_page() to fix page refcount leak Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 73/84] KVM: PPC: Use kvm_vcpu_map() to map guest memory to patch dcbz instructions Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 74/84] KVM: Convert gfn_to_page() to use kvm_follow_pfn() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 75/84] KVM: Add support for read-only usage of gfn_to_page() Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 76/84] KVM: arm64: Use __gfn_to_page() when copying MTE tags to/from userspace Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 77/84] KVM: PPC: Explicitly require struct page memory for Ultravisor sharing Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 78/84] KVM: Drop gfn_to_pfn() APIs now that all users are gone Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 79/84] KVM: s390: Use kvm_release_page_dirty() to unpin "struct page" memory Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 80/84] KVM: Make kvm_follow_pfn.refcounted_page a required field Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 81/84] KVM: x86/mmu: Don't mark "struct page" accessed when zapping SPTEs Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 82/84] KVM: arm64: Don't mark "struct page" accessed when making SPTE young Sean Christopherson
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 83/84] KVM: Drop APIs that manipulate "struct page" via pfns Sean Christopherson
2024-08-02 11:03   ` Alex Bennée
2024-07-26 23:52 ` [PATCH v12 84/84] KVM: Don't grab reference on VM_MIXEDMAP pfns that have a "struct page" Sean Christopherson
2024-07-30 11:38   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-30 20:21     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-07-31  9:50       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-30 11:52 ` [PATCH v12 00/84] KVM: Stop grabbing references to PFNMAP'd pages Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-30 22:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-27  9:06 ` Alex Bennée

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