From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
Jakub Matena <matenajakub@gmail.com>,
Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] mm/mremap: introduce more mergeable mremap via MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 14:07:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <018c0663-dffb-49d0-895c-63bc9e5f9aec@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d51af1de-110a-4cde-9091-98e15367dda3@lucifer.local>
>
>>
>>> + /* The above check should imply these. */
>>> + VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(folio_mapcount(folio) > folio_nr_pages(folio));
>>> + VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(!PageAnonExclusive(folio_page(folio, 0)));
>>
>> This can trigger in one nasty case, where we can lose the PAE bit during
>> swapin (refault from the swapcache while the folio is under writeback, and
>> the device does not allow for modifying the data while under writeback).
>
> Ugh god wasn't aware of that. So maybe drop this second one?
Yes.
>
>>
>>> +
>>> + /*
>>> + * A pinned folio implies that it will be used for a duration longer
>>> + * than that over which the mmap_lock is held, meaning that another part
>>> + * of the kernel may be making use of this folio.
>>> + *
>>> + * Since we are about to manipulate index & mapping fields, we cannot
>>> + * safely proceed because whatever has pinned this folio may then
>>> + * incorrectly assume these do not change.
>>> + */
>>> + if (folio_maybe_dma_pinned(folio))
>>> + goto out;
>>
>> As discussed, this can race with GUP-fast. SO *maybe* we can just allow for
>> moving these.
>
> I'm guessing you mean as discussed below? :P Or in the cover letter I've not
> read yet? :P
The latter .. IIRC :P It was late ...
>
> Yeah, to be honest you shouldn't be fiddling with index, mapping anyway except
> via rmap logic.
>
> I will audit access of these fields just to be safe.
>
[...]
>>> +
>>> + state.ptep = ptep_start;
>>> + for (; !pte_done(&state); pte_next(&state, nr_pages)) {
>>> + pte_t pte = ptep_get(state.ptep);
>>> +
>>> + if (pte_none(pte) || !pte_present(pte)) {
>>> + nr_pages = 1;
>>
>> What if we have
>>
>> (a) A migration entry (possibly we might fail migration and simply remap the
>> original folio)
>>
>> (b) A swap entry with a folio in the swapcache that we can refault.
>>
>> I don't think we can simply skip these ...
>
> Good point... will investigate these cases.
migration entries are really nasty ... probably have to wait for the
migration entry to become a present pte again.
swap entries ... we could lookup any folio in the swapcache and adjust that.
>
>>
>>> + continue;
>>> + }
>>> +
>>> + nr_pages = relocate_anon_pte(pmc, &state, undo);
>>> + if (!nr_pages) {
>>> + ret = false;
>>> + goto out;
>>> + }
>>> + }
>>> +
>>> + ret = true;
>>> +out:
>>> + pte_unmap_unlock(ptep_start, state.ptl);
>>> + return ret;
>>> +}
>>> +
>>> +static bool __relocate_anon_folios(struct pagetable_move_control *pmc, bool undo)
>>> +{
>>> + pud_t *pudp;
>>> + pmd_t *pmdp;
>>> + unsigned long extent;
>>> + struct mm_struct *mm = current->mm;
>>> +
>>> + if (!pmc->len_in)
>>> + return true;
>>> +
>>> + for (; !pmc_done(pmc); pmc_next(pmc, extent)) {
>>> + pmd_t pmd;
>>> + pud_t pud;
>>> +
>>> + extent = get_extent(NORMAL_PUD, pmc);
>>> +
>>> + pudp = get_old_pud(mm, pmc->old_addr);
>>> + if (!pudp)
>>> + continue;
>>> + pud = pudp_get(pudp);
>>> +
>>> + if (pud_trans_huge(pud) || pud_devmap(pud))
>>> + return false;
>>
>> We don't support PUD-size THP, why to we have to fail here?
>
> This is just to be in line with other 'magical future where we have PUD THP'
> stuff in mremap.c.
>
> A later commit that permits huge folio support actually lets us support these...
>
>>
>>> +
>>> + extent = get_extent(NORMAL_PMD, pmc);
>>> + pmdp = get_old_pmd(mm, pmc->old_addr);
>>> + if (!pmdp)
>>> + continue;
>>> + pmd = pmdp_get(pmdp);
>>> +
>>> + if (is_swap_pmd(pmd) || pmd_trans_huge(pmd) ||
>>> + pmd_devmap(pmd))
>>> + return false;
>>
>> Okay, this case could likely be handled later (present anon folio or
>> migration entry; everything else, we can skip).
>
> Hmm, but how? the PMD cannot be traversed in this case?
>
> 'Present' migration entry? Migration entries are non-present right? :) Or is it
> different at PMD?
"present anon folio" or "migration entry" :)
So that latter meant a PMD migration entry (that is non-present)
[...]
>>> pmc.new = new_vma;
>>> + if (relocate_anon) {
>>> + lock_new_anon_vma(new_vma);
>>> + pmc.relocate_locked = new_vma;
>>> +
>>> + if (!relocate_anon_folios(&pmc, /* undo= */false)) {
>>> + unsigned long start = new_vma->vm_start;
>>> + unsigned long size = new_vma->vm_end - start;
>>> +
>>> + /* Undo if fails. */
>>> + relocate_anon_folios(&pmc, /* undo= */true);
>>
>> You'd assume this cannot fail, but I think it can: imagine concurrent
>> GUP-fast ...
>
> Well if we change the racey code to ignore DMA pinned we should be ok right?
We completely block migration/swapout, or could they happen
concurrently? I assume you'd block them already using the rmap locks in
write mode.
>
>>
>> I really wish we can find a way to not require the fallback.
>
> Yeah the fallback is horrible but we really do need it. See the page table move
> fallback code for nightmares also :)
>
> We could also alternatively:
>
> - Have some kind of anon_vma fragmentation where some folios in range reference
> a different anon_vma that we link to the original VMA (quite possibly very
> broken though).
>
> - Keep a track of folios somehow and separate them from the page table walk (but
> then we risk races)
>
> - Have some way of telling the kernel that such a situation exists with a new
> object that can be pointed to by folio->mapping, that the rmap code recognise,
> like essentially an 'anon_vma migration entry' which can fail.
>
> I already considered combining this operation with the page table move
> operation, but the locking gets horrible and the undo is categorically much
> worse and I'm not sure it's actually workable.
Yeah, I have to further think about that. :(
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-17 12:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-09 13:26 [PATCH 00/11] mm/mremap: introduce more mergeable mremap via MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 01/11] " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 20:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 6:37 ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17 9:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 10:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 12:07 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-17 11:15 ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17 11:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 11:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 20:09 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 02/11] mm/mremap: add MREMAP_MUST_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 03/11] mm/mremap: add MREMAP[_MUST]_RELOCATE_ANON support for large folios Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 04/11] tools UAPI: Update copy of linux/mman.h from the kernel sources Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 05/11] tools/testing/selftests: add sys_mremap() helper to vm_util.h Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 06/11] tools/testing/selftests: add mremap() cases that merge normally Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 07/11] tools/testing/selftests: add MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON merge test cases Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 08/11] tools/testing/selftests: expand mremap() tests for MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 09/11] tools/testing/selftests: have CoW self test use MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 10/11] tools/testing/selftests: test relocate anon in split huge page test Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-09 13:26 ` [PATCH 11/11] tools/testing/selftests: add MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON fork tests Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-16 20:24 ` [PATCH 00/11] mm/mremap: introduce more mergeable mremap via MREMAP_RELOCATE_ANON David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 20:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 8:34 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-17 8:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 11:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 12:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-20 18:59 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-06-20 19:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-24 9:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24 10:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-24 12:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 10:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 10:50 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-17 5:42 ` Lai, Yi
2025-06-17 6:45 ` Harry Yoo
2025-06-17 9:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-25 15:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-25 15:58 ` Andrew Morton
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