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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Takero Funaki <flintglass@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] mm/zswap: store <PAGE_SIZE compression failed page as-is
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2025 22:14:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <055a8a69-731d-43b8-887e-54d8718877cb@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKEwX=MVBJ+Okfsob4Z30_5Y4P8c2DWoS1dYN4dF5dgp4+CexA@mail.gmail.com>

On 05.08.25 18:56, Nhat Pham wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 3:47 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 05.08.25 02:29, SeongJae Park wrote:
>>> When zswap writeback is enabled and it fails compressing a given page,
>>> the page is swapped out to the backing swap device.  This behavior
>>> breaks the zswap's writeback LRU order, and hence users can experience
>>> unexpected latency spikes.  If the page is compressed without failure,
>>> but results in a size of PAGE_SIZE, the LRU order is kept, but the
>>> decompression overhead for loading the page back on the later access is
>>> unnecessary.
>>>
>>> Keep the LRU order and optimize unnecessary decompression overheads in
>>> the cases, by storing the original content in zpool as-is.
>>
>> Does this have any effect on the movability of the given page? IOW, does
>> page migration etc. still work when we store an ordinary page of an
>> shmem/anon folio here?
> 
> Good question. This depends on the backend allocator of zswap, but the
> only backend allocator remaining (zsmalloc) does implement page
> migration.

Right, but migration of these pages works completely different than 
folio migration.

But I think the part I was missing: we are still performing a copy to 
another page, it's just that we don't perform any compression.

So I guess *breaking* movability of folios is not a concern.

But yeah, whether these "as is" pages are movable or not is a good 
question as well -- in particular when zsmalloc supports page migration 
and the "as is" pages would not.

Maybe someone familiar with the code could shed a light on that.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-06 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-05  0:29 [RFC PATCH v2] mm/zswap: store <PAGE_SIZE compression failed page as-is SeongJae Park
2025-08-05 10:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-05 16:56   ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-06 20:14     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-08-06 21:28       ` SeongJae Park
2025-08-06 23:48       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-08-07  5:55         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-07 16:50           ` SeongJae Park
2025-08-05 18:43   ` SeongJae Park
2025-08-05 18:25 ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-05 18:31   ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-05 18:51   ` SeongJae Park
2025-08-06 16:32 ` Johannes Weiner
2025-08-06 16:56   ` SeongJae Park

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