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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam10 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 69DBCA000A X-Stat-Signature: gxtfxcjbgbiydyiu4c9unsfgx8ewfwot X-HE-Tag: 1751381211-43135 X-HE-Meta: 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 6IPGENeg H5fhRCAdk45IRsk54ou01R3CBDavBf55rb4X5cVyRfNNBv1tNFpq1I5VpOsIdCapkp9xYgEaavul9UHazFKoHqkSFI2i0goXA4qNrHcklqR+4cXePoQgLw3E0Wc/r+znwilMWtoSCMJ48ssK7XJcD4OQCN3xzihswL/Fd+1cEVyILRbk8s1LbhWk0BTGXE5RgtASxvnCqwNjvF1pTQ1roNBOWeCD5TCRzthu6mOqK4SSmanxp4nVxTK9Xu9DLh3LTn5t2mHOyzX/q1BG9KVHgIO995e0RVT9CF7hJ0iCd6zfizOMWPF2jselrgCKeaShSpBs1PgX1yTlBgQxtXTwfs4IvKG1WUjSReQH43+w/fuR3+NIdRvawMVCO4WrnWvgdJ/sCCgH6toLeDnSWwGRccjQMDp4+UsQH1+A4vWG83w/LyCjLv19QXBSBRosInwB0W6SvMAheWobCKZrw/g/qs5kh9tmiCYzxb1FxacmuWIcrpo4xCG+zh86/f4GO+4cZp5A/Ce9vyRzfSy5xf5PBSxy7tpBdAUOBw7ff X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: >>> I support this approach. >> >> Agreed. Let's get this in with the changes requested by Sean applied. >> >> How to use GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP in combination with a CoCo VM with >> legacy mem attributes (-> all memory in guest_memfd private) could be >> added later on top, once really required. >> >> As discussed, CoCo VMs that want to support GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP will >> have to disable legacy mem attributes using a new capability in stage-2. >> > > I rewatched the guest_memfd meeting on 2025-06-12. We do want to > support the use case where userspace wants to have mmap (e.g. to set > mempolicy) but does not want to allow faulting into the host. > > On 2025-06-12, the conclusion was that the problem will be solved once > guest_memfd supports shareability, and that's because userspace can set > shareability to GUEST, so the memory can't be faulted into the host. > > On 2025-06-26, Sean said we want to let userspace have an extra layer of > protection so that memory cannot be faulted in to the host, ever. IOW, > we want to let userspace say that even if there is a stray > private-to-shared conversion, *don't* allow faulting memory into the > host. > > The difference is the "extra layer of protection", which should remain > in effect even if there are (stray/unexpected) private-to-shared > conversions to guest_memfd or to KVM. Here's a direct link to the point > in the video where Sean brought this up [1]. I'm really hoping I didn't > misinterpret this! > > Let me look ahead a little, since this involves use cases already > brought up though I'm not sure how real they are. I just want to make > sure that in a few patch series' time, we don't end up needing userspace > to use a complex bunch of CAPs and FLAGs. > > In this series (mmap support, V12, patch 10/18) [2], to allow > KVM_X86_DEFAULT_VMs to use guest_memfd, I added a `fault_from_gmem()` > helper, which is defined as follows (before the renaming Sean requested): > > +static inline bool fault_from_gmem(struct kvm_page_fault *fault) > +{ > + return fault->is_private || kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_shared(fault->slot); > +} > > The above is changeable, of course :). The intention is that if the > fault is private, fault from guest_memfd. If GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP is > set (KVM_MEMSLOT_GMEM_ONLY will be set on the memslot), fault from > guest_memfd. > > If we defer handling GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP in combination with a CoCo VM > with legacy mem attributes to the future, this helper will probably > become > > -static inline bool fault_from_gmem(struct kvm_page_fault *fault) > +static inline bool fault_from_gmem(struct kvm *kvm, struct kvm_page_fault *fault) > +{ > - return fault->is_private || kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_shared(fault->slot); > + return fault->is_private || (kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_shared(fault->slot) && > + !kvm_arch_disable_legacy_private_tracking(kvm)); > +} > > And on memslot binding we check > > if kvm_arch_disable_legacy_private_tracking(kvm) and not GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP > return -EINVAL; > > 1. Is that what yall meant? My understanding: CoCo VMs will initially (stage-1) only support !GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP. With stage-2, CoCo VMs will support GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP only with kvm_arch_disable_legacy_private_tracking(). Non-CoCo VMs will only support GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP. (no concept of private) > > 2. Does this kind of not satisfy the "extra layer of protection" > requirement (if it is a requirement)? > > A legacy CoCo VM using guest_memfd only for private memory (shared > memory from say, shmem) and needing to set mempolicy would > > * Set GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP > * Leave KVM_CAP_DISABLE_LEGACY_PRIVATE_TRACKING defaulted to false > > but still be able to send conversion ioctls directly to guest_memfd, > and then be able to fault guest_memfd memory into the host. In that configuration, I would expect that all memory in guest_memfd is private and remains private. guest_memfd without memory attributes cannot support in-place conversion. How to achieve that might be interesting: the capability will affect guest_memfd behavior? > > 3. Now for a use case I've heard of (feel free to tell me this will > never be supported or "we'll deal with it if it comes"): On a > non-CoCo VM, we want to use guest_memfd but not use mmap (and the > initial VM image will be written using write() syscall or something > else). > > * Set GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP to false > * Leave KVM_CAP_DISABLE_LEGACY_PRIVATE_TRACKING defaulted to false > (it's a non-CoCo VM, weird to do anything to do with private > tracking) > > And now we're stuck because fault_from_gmem() will return false all > the time and we can't use memory from guest_memfd. I think I discussed that with Sean: we would have GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_WRITE that will imply everything that GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP would imply, except the actual mmap() support. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb