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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, david@kernel.org,
	 mhocko@kernel.org, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com,
	yuzhao@google.com,  shakeel.butt@linux.dev, willy@infradead.org,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,  axelrasmussen@google.com,
	yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm/vmscan: prevent MGLRU reclaim from pinning address space
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 17:06:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0f599835-9b99-4457-9ba7-a3eaeb0768d1@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpFqz3OvOrJOnYG8NF0gjzkzmSaiM0LZKD_aLoW9Br2srA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 09:19:04AM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2026 at 6:43 AM Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) <ljs@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2026 at 12:08:43AM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > When shrinking lruvec, MGLRU pins address space before walking it.
> > > This is excessive since all it needs for walking the page range is
> > > a stable mm_struct to be able to take and release mmap_read_lock and
> > > a stable mm->mm_mt tree to walk. This address space pinning results
> >
> > Hmm, I guess exit_mmap() calls __mt_destroy(), but that'll just destroy
> > allocated state and leave the tree empty right, so traversal of that tree
> > at that point would just do nothing?
>
> Correct. And __mt_destroy() happens under mmap_write_lock while
> traversal under mmap_read_lock, so they should not race.

Yeah that's fair.

>
> >
> > > in delays when releasing the memory of a dying process. This also
> > > prevents mm reapers (both in-kernel oom-reaper and userspace
> > > process_mrelease()) from doing their job during MGLRU scan because
> > > they check task_will_free_mem() which will yield negative result due
> > > to the elevated mm->mm_users.
> > >
> > > Replace unnecessary address space pinning with mm_struct pinning by
> > > replacing mmget/mmput with mmgrab/mmdrop calls. mm_mt is contained
> > > within mm_struct itself, therefore it won't be freed as long as
> > > mm_struct is stable and it won't change during the walk because
> > > mmap_read_lock is being held.
> > >
> > > Fixes: bd74fdaea146 ("mm: multi-gen LRU: support page table walks")
> > > Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>

Given you have cleared up my concerns, this LGTM, so:

Reviewed-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) <ljs@kernel.org>

> > > ---
> > >  mm/vmscan.c | 5 +++--
> > >  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > > index 33287ba4a500..68e8e90e38f5 100644
> > > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > > @@ -2863,8 +2863,9 @@ static struct mm_struct *get_next_mm(struct lru_gen_mm_walk *walk)
> > >               return NULL;
> >
> > Not related to this series, but I really don't like how coupled MGLRU is to
> > the rest of the 'classic' reclaim code.
> >
> > Just in the middle of vmscan you walk into generic mm walker logic and the
> > only hint it's MGLRU is you see lru_gen_xxx stuff (I'm also annoyed that we
> > call it MGLRU but it's called lru_gen_xxx in the kernel :)
>
> I don't have a strong opinion on this. Perhaps the naming can be
> changed outside of this series.

I was thinking more of a new file for mglru :>)

I believe we also need some more active maintainership also... but that's
another issue ;)

>
> >
> > >
> > >       clear_bit(key, &mm->lru_gen.bitmap);
> > > +     mmgrab(mm);
> >
> > Is the mm somehow pinned here or, on destruction, would move it from the mm
> > list meaning that we can safely assume we have something sane in mm-> to
> > grab? I guess this must have already been the case for mmget_not_zero() to
> > have been used before though.
>
> Yes, mm is stable because it's fetched from mm_list. When mm is added
> to this list via lru_gen_add_mm(mm) it is referenced and that
> reference is dropped only after lru_gen_del_mm(mm) removes the mm from
> this list (see https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v7.0-rc4/source/kernel/fork.c#L1185
> and https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v7.0-rc4/source/kernel/fork.c#L1187).
> Addition, removal and retrieval from that list happen under
> mm_list->lock which prevents races.

Ack, thanks!

>
> >
> > >
> > > -     return mmget_not_zero(mm) ? mm : NULL;
> > > +     return mm;
> > >  }
> > >
> > >  void lru_gen_add_mm(struct mm_struct *mm)
> > > @@ -3064,7 +3065,7 @@ static bool iterate_mm_list(struct lru_gen_mm_walk *walk, struct mm_struct **ite
> > >               reset_bloom_filter(mm_state, walk->seq + 1);
> > >
> > >       if (*iter)
> > > -             mmput_async(*iter);
> > > +             mmdrop(*iter);
> >
> > This will now be a blocking call that could free the mm (via __mmdrop()),
> > so could take a while, is that ok?
>
> mmdrop() should not be a heavy-weight operation. It simply destroys
> the metadata associated with mm_struct. mmput() OTOH will call
> exit_mmap() if it drops the last reference and that can take a while
> because that's when we free the memory of the process. I believe
> that's why mmput_async() was used here.

Yeah that's fair enough! Thanks.

>
> >
> > If before the code was intentionally deferring work here, doesn't that
> > imply that being slow here might be an issue, somehow? Or was it just
> > because they could? :)
>
> I think the reason was the possibility of calling mmput() -> __mmput()
> -> exit_mmap(mm) which could indeed block us for a while.

Yeah fair :)

>
> >
> > >
> > >       *iter = mm;
> > >
> > >
> > > base-commit: 8c65073d94c8b7cc3170de31af38edc9f5d96f0e
> > > --
> > > 2.53.0.1018.g2bb0e51243-goog
> > >
> >
> > Thanks, Lorenzo

Cheers, Lorenzo


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-22  7:08 [PATCH 1/1] mm/vmscan: prevent MGLRU reclaim from pinning address space Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-03-23 13:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-23 16:19   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-03-23 17:06     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) [this message]
2026-03-23 17:24       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-03-23 13:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-23 16:26   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-03-23 17:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-23 17:43       ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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