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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>,
	willy@infradead.org, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: How to handle P2P DMA with only {physaddr,len} in bio_vec?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:02:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1143687.1750755725@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFlaxwpKChYXFf8A@infradead.org>

Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 11:50:58AM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> > What's the best way to manage this without having to go back to the page
> > struct for every DMA mapping we want to make?
> 
> There isn't a very easy way.  Also because if you actually need to do
> peer to peer transfers, you right now absolutely need the page to find
> the pgmap that has the information on how to perform the peer to peer
> transfer.

Are you expecting P2P to become particularly common?  Because page struct
lookups will become more expensive because we'll have to do type checking and
Willy may eventually move them from a fixed array into a maple tree - so if we
can record the P2P flag in the bio_vec, it would help speed up the "not P2P"
case.

> > Do we need to have
> > iov_extract_user_pages() note this in the bio_vec?
> > 
> > 	struct bio_vec {
> > 		physaddr_t	bv_base_addr;	/* 64-bits */
> > 		size_t		bv_len:56;	/* Maybe just u32 */
> > 		bool		p2pdma:1;	/* Region is involved in P2P */
> > 		unsigned int	spare:7;
> > 	};
> 
> Having a flag in the bio_vec might be a way to shortcut the P2P or not
> decision a bit.  The downside is that without the flag, the bio_vec
> in the brave new page-less world would actually just be:
> 
> 	struct bio_vec {
> 		phys_addr_t	bv_phys;
> 		u32		bv_len;
> 	} __packed;
> 
> i.e. adding any more information would actually increase the size from
> 12 bytes to 16 bytes for the usualy 64-bit phys_addr_t setups, and thus
> undo all the memory savings that this move would provide.

Do we actually need 32 bits for bv_len, especially given that MAX_RW_COUNT is
capped at a bit less than 2GiB?  Could we, say, do:

 	struct bio_vec {
 		phys_addr_t	bv_phys;
 		u32		bv_len:31;
		u32		bv_use_p2p:1;
 	} __packed;

And rather than storing the how-to-do-P2P info in the page struct, does it
make sense to hold it separately, keyed on bv_phys?

Also, is it possible for the networking stack, say, to trivially map the P2P
memory in order to checksum it?  I presume bv_phys in that case would point to
a mapping of device memory?

Thanks,
David



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-24  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <0aa1b4a2-47b2-40a4-ae14-ce2dd457a1f7@lunn.ch>
     [not found] ` <1015189.1746187621@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
2025-05-02 13:41   ` MSG_ZEROCOPY and the O_DIRECT vs fork() race David Howells
2025-05-02 13:48     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-02 14:21     ` Andrew Lunn
2025-05-02 16:21     ` Reorganising how the networking layer handles memory David Howells
2025-05-05 20:14       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-06 13:50       ` David Howells
2025-05-06 13:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-06 18:20         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-07 13:45         ` David Howells
2025-05-07 17:47           ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-07 13:49         ` David Howells
2025-05-12 14:51     ` AF_UNIX/zerocopy/pipe/vmsplice/splice vs FOLL_PIN David Howells
2025-05-12 21:59       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-23 11:50       ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-23 13:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 14:16       ` David Howells
2025-06-23 10:50     ` How to handle P2P DMA with only {physaddr,len} in bio_vec? David Howells
2025-06-23 13:46       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-23 23:38         ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-24  9:02       ` David Howells [this message]
2025-06-24 12:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 12:39         ` Christoph Hellwig

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