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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: npiggin@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, jdike@addtoit.com, hugh@veritas.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean() vs non-linear vmas
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:37:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1173353824.9438.15.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1HPGg9-00039z-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>

On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 12:21 +0100, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > Partial revert of commit: 204ec841fbea3e5138168edbc3a76d46747cc987
> > 
> > Non-linear vmas aren't properly handled by page_mkclean() and fixing that
> > would result in linear scans of all related non-linear vmas per page_mkclean()
> > invocation.
> > 
> > This is deemed too costly, hence re-instate the msync scan for non-linear vmas.
> > 
> > However this can lead to double IO:
> > 
> >  - pages get instanciated with RO mapping
> >  - page takes write fault, and gets marked with PG_dirty
> >  - page gets tagged for writeout and calls page_mkclean()
> >  - page_mkclean() fails to find the dirty pte (and clean it)
> >  - writeout happens and PG_dirty gets cleared.
> >  - user calls msync, the dirty pte is found and the page marked with PG_dirty
> >  - the page gets writen out _again_ even though its not re-dirtied.
> > 
> > To minimize this reset the protection when creating a nonlinear vma.
> > 
> > I'm not at all happy with this, but plain disallowing
> > remap_file_pages on bdis without BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK seems to
> > offend some people, hence restrict it to root only.
> 
> Root only for !BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK mappings doesn't make sense
> because:
> 
>   - just encourages insecure applications
> 
>   - there are no current users that want this and presumable no future
>     uses either

AFAIK no other OS does this against regular filesystems (hear-say)

>   - it's a maintenance burden: I'll have to layer the m/ctime update
>     patch on top of this
> 
>   - the only pro for this has been that Nick thinks it cool ;)
> 
> I think the proper way to deal with this is to
> 
>   - allow BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK (tmpfs/ramfs) uses, makes database
>     people happy

And UML once the remap_file_pages_prot() stuff is merged.

>   - for !BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK emulate using do_mmap_pgoff(), should be
>     trivial, no userspace ABI breakage

I can live with that.

However this still leaves the non-linear reclaim (Nick pointed it out as
a potential DoS and other people have corroborated this). I have no idea
on that to do about that.

Oracle seems to mlock these things anyway, but UML surely would not.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-08 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-21  4:49 [patch 0/6] fault vs truncate/invalidate race fix Nick Piggin
2007-02-21  4:49 ` [patch 1/6] mm: debug check for the fault vs invalidate race Nick Piggin
2007-02-21  4:49 ` [patch 2/6] mm: simplify filemap_nopage Nick Piggin
2007-02-21  4:50 ` [patch 3/6] mm: fix fault vs invalidate race for linear mappings Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  6:36   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07  6:57     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  7:08       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07  7:25         ` Nick Piggin
2007-02-21  4:50 ` [patch 4/6] mm: merge populate and nopage into fault (fixes nonlinear) Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  6:51   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07  7:08     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  8:19       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  8:27         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07  8:35           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07  8:53             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07  9:28               ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  9:44                 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-07  9:49                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 10:02                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-12 23:01                       ` Blaisorblade
2007-03-13  1:19                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-17 12:17                           ` Blaisorblade
2007-03-18  2:50                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-18 13:09                               ` Jeff Dike
2007-03-19 12:04                               ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-19 20:44                               ` Blaisorblade
2007-03-20  6:00                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-21 19:45                                   ` Blaisorblade
2007-03-08 12:39                   ` Blaisorblade
2007-03-07  9:29             ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-07  9:39               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07 10:09                 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-07  8:38           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07  8:47             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07  8:51               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07  9:07                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07  9:18                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  9:26                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-07  9:28                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07  9:38                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  9:25                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07  9:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07  9:45                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 10:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 10:06                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 10:13                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07 10:21                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 10:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 10:38                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 10:47                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 11:00                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 11:48                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 12:17                                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 12:41                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 13:08                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 13:19                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 13:36                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 13:52                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 13:56                                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07 14:34                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 15:01                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 16:58                                                         ` [RFC][PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean() vs non-linear vmas Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 18:00                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-07 18:12                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-07 18:24                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-08 11:21                                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-08 11:37                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-03-08 11:48                                                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-08 12:11                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-08 12:19                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-08 12:25                                                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-08 11:58                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-08 12:09                                                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07 15:10                                                     ` [patch 4/6] mm: merge populate and nopage into fault (fixes nonlinear) Jeff Dike
2007-03-07 13:53                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-03-07 14:50                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 12:22                                       ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-07 12:36                                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 10:30                             ` [rfc][patch 7/6] mm: merge page_mkwrite Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  8:59           ` [patch 4/6] mm: merge populate and nopage into fault (fixes nonlinear) Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  9:11             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  9:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07  9:32               ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-07  9:35                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-07  9:50                   ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-07  9:52               ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07  7:19     ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-07 10:05     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-03-07 10:17       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-07 10:46         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-21  4:50 ` [patch 5/6] mm: merge nopfn into fault Nick Piggin
2007-02-21  5:13   ` Nick Piggin
2007-02-21  4:50 ` [patch 6/6] mm: remove legacy cruft Nick Piggin
2007-02-27  4:36 ` [patch 0/6] fault vs truncate/invalidate race fix Dave Airlie
2007-02-27  5:32   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-27  6:26     ` Dave Airlie
2007-02-27  6:54       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-03-18 23:13         ` Dave Airlie
2007-02-27  8:50     ` Nick Piggin

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