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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dkegel@google.com,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:55:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1189454145.21778.48.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709101220001.24735@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

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On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 12:25 -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> Of course boundless allocations from interrupt / reclaim context will 
> ultimately crash the system. To fix that you need to stop the networking 
> layer from performing these.

Trouble is, I don't only need a network layer to not endlessly consume
memory, I need it to 'fully' function so that we can receive the
writeout completion.

Let us define a strict meaning for a few phrases:

 use memory - an alloc / free cycle where the free is unconditional
 consume memory - an alloc / free cycle where the free is conditional
and or might be delayed for some unspecified time.

Currently networking has two states:

  1) it receives packets and consumes memory
  2) it doesn't receive any packets and doesn't use any memory.

In order to use swap over network you need to operate the network stack
in a bounded memory model (PF_MEMALLOC). So we need a state that:

  - receives packets
  - does NOT consume memory
  - but does use memory - albeit limited.

There are two ways to do this:

  - reserve a specified amount of memory per socket
    (allegedly IRIX has this)

or

  - have a global reserve and selectively serves sockets
    (what I've been doing)

These two models can be seen as the same. There is no fundamental
difference between having various small reserves and one larger that is
carved up using strict accounting.

So, if you will, you can view my approach as a reserve per socket, where
most sockets get a reserve of 0 and a few (those serving the VM) !0.

What part are you disagreeing with or unclear on?

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-10 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 14:21 [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC) Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 1/3] Allow reclaim via __GFP_NOMEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 2/3] Use NOMEMALLOC reclaim to allow reclaim if PF_MEMALLOC is set Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 3/3] Test code for PF_MEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:36 ` [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC) Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 15:29   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 19:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 19:41       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15 12:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 13:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-15 14:15     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-15 13:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-15 14:34         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-15 20:32         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15 20:29     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  3:29     ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 20:27       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20  3:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20 19:15         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-21  0:32           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-21  0:28         ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-21 15:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-23  3:02             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 22:39           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05  9:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-05 10:42   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05 11:42     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-05 12:14       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05 12:19         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-10 19:29           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 19:41               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 20:17                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:48                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-11  7:41             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 10:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-12 22:47           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13  8:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-13 18:32               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 19:24                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-05 16:16     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-08  5:12       ` Mike Snitzer
2007-09-18  0:28         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18  3:27           ` Mike Snitzer
2007-09-18  9:30             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]             ` <200709172211.26493.phillips@phunq.net>
2007-09-18  8:11               ` Wouter Verhelst
2007-09-18  9:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18 16:56                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18 19:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18 18:40             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18 20:13               ` Mike Snitzer
2007-09-10 19:25       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:55         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-09-10 20:22           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:48             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-26 17:44               ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-26 17:55                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-27 22:58                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-10-27 23:08                 ` Daniel Phillips

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