From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
stable@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:03:05 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1192665785.15717.34.camel@think.oraclecorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m16415cocs.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 17:28 -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com> writes:
>
> > So, the problem is using the Dirty bit to indicate pinned. You're
> > completely right that our current setup of buffer heads and pages and
> > filesystpem metadata is complex and difficult.
> >
> > But, moving the buffer heads off of the page cache pages isn't going to
> > make it any easier to use dirty as pinned, especially in the face of
> > buffer_head users for file data pages.
>
> Let me specific. Not moving buffer_heads off of page cache pages,
> moving buffer_heads off of the block devices page cache pages.
>
> My problem is the coupling of how block devices are cached and the
> implementation of buffer heads, and by removing that coupling
> we can generally make things better. Currently that coupling
> means silly things like all block devices are cached in low memory.
> Which probably isn't what you want if you actually have a use
> for block devices.
>
> For the ramdisk case in particular what this means is that there
> are no more users that create buffer_head mappings on the block
> device cache so using the dirty bit will be safe.
Ok, we move the buffer heads off to a different inode, and that indoe
has pages. The pages on the inode still need to get pinned, how does
that pinning happen?
The problem you described where someone cleans a page because the buffer
heads are clean happens already without help from userland. So, keeping
the pages away from userland won't save them from cleaning.
Sorry if I'm reading your suggestion wrong...
-chris
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-18 0:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-15 8:28 [PATCH resend] ramdisk: fix zeroed ramdisk pages on memory pressure Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-15 14:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-15 9:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-15 14:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-15 18:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:40 ` [PATCH] rd: Preserve the dirty bit in init_page_buffers() Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:42 ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 7:56 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16 9:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 16:14 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-17 17:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 19:14 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 20:54 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 21:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 22:58 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 23:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 0:03 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2007-10-18 3:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 3:59 ` [RFC][PATCH] block: Isolate the buffer cache in it's own mappings Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 4:32 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-19 21:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 4:24 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 4:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 5:36 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 7:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22 0:15 ` David Chinner
2007-10-18 5:10 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-19 21:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 21:48 ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-17 22:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 9:26 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-19 22:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-19 22:51 ` [PATCH] rd: Use a private inode for backing storage Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 4:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 5:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 5:24 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 6:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 7:28 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-21 8:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21 9:56 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 18:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22 1:56 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-22 13:11 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-21 9:39 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 17:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22 0:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:19 ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:48 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16 19:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 22:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:12 ` [PATCH] rd: Preserve the dirty bit in init_page_buffers() Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 9:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 9:16 ` [PATCH resend] ramdisk: fix zeroed ramdisk pages on memory pressure Andrew Morton
2007-10-15 15:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 3:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 6:45 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 4:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 8:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 7:47 ` [patch][rfc] rewrite ramdisk Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 7:52 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16 8:07 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:17 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16 8:26 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 8:53 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16 9:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 21:28 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-16 22:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 23:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 0:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17 1:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 1:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17 10:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 12:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17 18:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18 1:06 ` Nick Piggin
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