From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:56:24 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1265982984.6207.29.camel@barrios-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002102332200.22152@chino.kir.corp.google.com>
Hi, David.
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 01:14 -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> > > +/*
> > > + * Tasks that fork a very large number of children with seperate address
> > > spaces
> > > + * may be the result of a bug, user error, or a malicious application. The
> > > oom
> > > + * killer assesses a penalty equaling
> >
> > It could also be the result of the system getting many client
> > connections - think of overloaded mail, web or database servers.
> >
>
> True, that's a great example of why child tasks should be sacrificed for
> the parent: if the oom killer is being called then we are truly overloaded
> and there's no shame in killing excessive client connections to recover,
> otherwise we might find the entire server becoming unresponsive. The user
> can easily tune to /proc/sys/vm/oom_forkbomb_thres to define what
> "excessive" is to assess the penalty, if any. I'll add that to the
> comment if we require a second revision.
>
I am worried about opposite case.
If forkbomb parent makes so many children in a short time(ex, 2000 per
second) continuously and we kill a child continuously not parent, system
is almost unresponsible, I think.
I suffered from that case in LTP and no swap system.
It might be a corner case but might happen in real.
I think we could have two types of forkbomb.
Normal forkbomb : apache, DB server and so on.
Buggy forkbomb: It's mistake of user.
We can control normal forkbomb by oom_forkbomb_thres.
But how about handling buggy forkbomb?
If we make sure this task is buggy forkbomb, it would be better to kill
it. But it's hard to make sure it's a buggy forkbomb.
Could we solve this problem by following as?
If OOM selects victim and then the one was selected victim right before
and it's repeatable 5 times for example, then we kill the victim(buggy
forkbom) itself not child of one. It is assumed normal forkbomb is
controlled by admin who uses oom_forkbomb_thres well. So it doesn't
happen selecting victim continuously above five time.
--
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-10 16:32 [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 1/7 -mm] oom: filter tasks not sharing the same cpuset David Rientjes
2010-02-10 17:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 23:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 2:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 4:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 6:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 7:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 8:49 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 9:04 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 9:10 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 8:46 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 2/7 -mm] oom: sacrifice child with highest badness score for parent David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:52 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 0:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 3:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 3/7 -mm] oom: select task from tasklist for mempolicy ooms David Rientjes
2010-02-10 22:47 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-15 5:03 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:11 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 21:52 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 0:48 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 1:13 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:10 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:14 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 15:07 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-11 21:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 21:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 21:51 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 22:31 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 22:42 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 23:31 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:37 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 13:56 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2010-02-12 21:00 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 21:54 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 13:14 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-16 21:41 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 7:41 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-17 9:23 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 13:08 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 8:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:26 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 9:58 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 9:04 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 6/7 -mm] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:19 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 14:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 1:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 10:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 0:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 22:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 7/7 -mm] oom: remove unnecessary code and cleanup David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:21 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 2:51 ` [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite KOSAKI Motohiro
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