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From: Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: zone state overhead
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:47:18 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1285735638.27440.23.camel@sli10-conroe.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1009282024570.31551@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 12:02 +0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Mel Gorman wrote:
> 
> > This is true. It's helpful to remember why this patch exists. Under heavy
> > memory pressure, large machines run the risk of live-locking because the
> > NR_FREE_PAGES gets out of sync. The test case mentioned above is under
> > memory pressure so it is potentially at risk. Ordinarily, we would be less
> > concerned with performance under heavy memory pressure and more concerned with
> > correctness of behaviour. The percpu_drift_mark is set at a point where the
> > risk is "real".  Lowering it will help performance but increase risk. Reducing
> > stat_threshold shifts the cost elsewhere by increasing the frequency the
> > vmstat counters are updated which I considered to be worse overall.
> > 
> > Which of these is better or is there an alternative suggestion on how
> > this livelock can be avoided?
> > 
> 
> I don't think the risk is quite real based on the calculation of 
> percpu_drift_mark using the high watermark instead of the min watermark.  
> For Shaohua's 64 cpu system:
> 
> Node 3, zone   Normal
> pages free     2055926
>         min      1441
>         low      1801
>         high     2161
>         scanned  0
>         spanned  2097152
>         present  2068480
>   vm stats threshold: 98
> 
> It's possible that we'll be 98 pages/cpu * 64 cpus = 6272 pages off in the 
> NR_FREE_PAGES accounting at any given time.  So to avoid depleting memory 
> reserves at the min watermark, which is livelock, and unnecessarily 
> spending time doing reclaim, percpu_drift_mark should be
> 1801 + 6272 = 8073 pages.  Instead, we're currently using the high 
> watermark, so percpu_drift_mark is 8433 pages.
> 
> It's plausible that we never reclaim sufficient memory that we ever get 
> above the high watermark since we only trigger reclaim when we can't 
> allocate above low, so we may be stuck calling zone_page_state_snapshot() 
> constantly.
> 
> I'd be interested to see if this patch helps.
> ---
> diff --git a/mm/vmstat.c b/mm/vmstat.c
> --- a/mm/vmstat.c
> +++ b/mm/vmstat.c
> @@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ static void refresh_zone_stat_thresholds(void)
>  		tolerate_drift = low_wmark_pages(zone) - min_wmark_pages(zone);
>  		max_drift = num_online_cpus() * threshold;
>  		if (max_drift > tolerate_drift)
> -			zone->percpu_drift_mark = high_wmark_pages(zone) +
> +			zone->percpu_drift_mark = low_wmark_pages(zone) +
>  					max_drift;
>  	}
>  }
I'm afraid not. I tried Christoph's patch, which doesn't help.
in that patch, the threshold = 6272/2 = 3136. and the percpu_drift_mark
is 3136 + 2161 < 8073

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-29  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-28  5:08 zone state overhead Shaohua Li
2010-09-28 12:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-28 13:30   ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-28 13:40     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-28 13:51       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-28 14:08         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29  3:02           ` Shaohua Li
2010-09-29  4:02     ` David Rientjes
2010-09-29  4:47       ` Shaohua Li [this message]
2010-09-29  5:06         ` David Rientjes
2010-09-29 10:03       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:12         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 14:17           ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:34             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 14:41               ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:45                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:54                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 14:52                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 19:44         ` David Rientjes
2010-10-08 15:29 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-09  0:58   ` Shaohua Li
2010-10-11  8:56     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-12  1:05       ` Shaohua Li
2010-10-12 16:25         ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  2:41           ` Shaohua Li
2010-10-13 12:09             ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  3:36           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:25             ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] mm: reserve max drift pages at boot time instead using zone_page_state_snapshot() KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:27               ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] mm, mem-hotplug: recalculate lowmem_reserve when memory hotplug occur KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:39                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13 12:59                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  2:44                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:28               ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] mm: update pcp->stat_threshold " KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:40                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13 13:02                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  6:32               ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] mm: reserve max drift pages at boot time instead using zone_page_state_snapshot() KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13 13:19                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  2:39                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 10:43                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  7:10               ` [experimental][PATCH] mm,vmstat: per cpu stat flush too when per cpu page cache flushed KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  7:16                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13 13:22                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  2:50                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-15 17:31                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-18  9:27                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 15:44                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-19  1:10                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 11:08                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-19  1:34                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-19  9:06                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-18 15:51                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-19  0:43                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13 11:24             ` zone state overhead Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  3:07               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 10:39                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-19  1:16                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-19  9:08                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 14:12                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 15:23                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-22 18:45                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 15:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-22 18:46                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 20:01                             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-25  4:46                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-27  8:19                           ` Mel Gorman

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