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From: Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Cc: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 0400
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:37:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1299271041.2071.1398.camel@dan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRN_=APe_PWMFe_6CHHC7psUbCYE-O0qc=mmYY@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 22:02 +0200, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com> wrote:
> >> Of course, as you say, '/proc/meminfo' still does give you the trigger
> >> for "oh, now somebody actually allocated a new page". That's totally
> >> independent of slabinfo, though (and knowing the number of active
> >> slabs would neither help nor hurt somebody who uses meminfo - you
> >> might as well allocate new sockets in a loop, and use _only_ meminfo
> >> to see when that allocated a new page).
> >
> > I think lying to the user is much worse than changing the permissions.
> > The cost of the resulting confusion is WAY higher.
> 
> Yeah, maybe. I've attached a proof of concept patch that attempts to
> randomize object layout in individual slabs. I'm don't completely
> understand the attack vector so I don't make any claims if the patch
> helps or not.
> 
>                         Pekka

Thanks for your work on this.  The most general exploitation techniques
involving kernel SLUB/SLAB corruption involve manipulating heap state
such that an object that can be overflowed by the attacker resides
immediately before another object whose contents are worth overwriting,
or overflowing into the page following the slab.  The most common known
techniques involve overflowing into an allocated object with useful
contents such as a function pointer and then triggering these (various
IPC-related structs are often used for this).  It's also possible to
overflow into a free object and overwrite its free pointer, causing
subsequent allocations to result in a fake heap object residing in
userland being under an attacker's control.

This patch makes these techniques more difficult by making it hard to
know whether the last attacker-allocated object resides before a free or
allocated object.  Especially with vulnerabilities that only allow one
attempt at exploitation before recovery is needed to avoid trashing too
much heap state and causing a crash, this could go a long way.  I'd
still argue in favor of removing the ability to know how many objects
are used in a given slab, since randomizing objects doesn't help if you
know every object is allocated.

Of course people more knowledgeable on SLUB should look this over for
sanity's sake, but it looks good to me.

-Dan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-04 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-03 17:50 [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 0400 Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 18:17 ` Dave Hansen
2011-03-03 18:29   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 20:58 ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-03 21:16   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 21:44     ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-03 22:30       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 23:08         ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04  0:32           ` Dave Hansen
2011-03-04  0:50         ` Theodore Tso
2011-03-04  6:52           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 17:36             ` Dave Hansen
2011-03-04 17:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 18:14                 ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 20:02                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 20:31                     ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 20:42                       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-04 20:56                         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 21:08                           ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-04 21:30                             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 21:44                               ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-04 22:10                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 22:14                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 23:02                                     ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-05 16:25                                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-03-06 13:19                                         ` Alan Cox
2011-03-07 14:56                                           ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-07 16:02                                             ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 20:37                     ` Dan Rosenberg [this message]
2011-03-04 20:58                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 21:10                         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-06  0:42                           ` Jesper Juhl
2011-03-06  0:57                             ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-06  1:09                             ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-06  1:15                               ` Jesper Juhl
2011-03-07 16:40                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-03-04 21:12                         ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 11:58           ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-03-07 14:19 [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 040 George Spelvin
2011-03-07 17:49 ` [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 0400 George Spelvin

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