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From: Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com>
To: Jesper Juhl <jj@chaosbits.net>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 0400
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 19:57:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1299373052.2071.1431.camel@dan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1103060137410.6297@swampdragon.chaosbits.net>

On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 01:42 +0100, Jesper Juhl wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Dan Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 22:58 +0200, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Dan Rosenberg <drosenberg@vsecurity.com> wrote:
> > > > This patch makes these techniques more difficult by making it hard to
> > > > know whether the last attacker-allocated object resides before a free or
> > > > allocated object.  Especially with vulnerabilities that only allow one
> > > > attempt at exploitation before recovery is needed to avoid trashing too
> > > > much heap state and causing a crash, this could go a long way.  I'd
> > > > still argue in favor of removing the ability to know how many objects
> > > > are used in a given slab, since randomizing objects doesn't help if you
> > > > know every object is allocated.
> > > 
> > > So if the attacker knows every object is allocated, how does that help
> > > if we're randomizing the initial freelist?
> > 
> > If you know you've got a slab completely full of your objects, then it
> > doesn't matter that they happened to be allocated in a random fashion -
> > they're still all allocated, and by freeing one of them and
> > reallocating, you'll still be next to your target.
> > 
> 
> But still, if randomizing allocations makes life just a little harder for 
> attackers in some scenarios, why not just do it?
> Same with making /proc/slabinfo 0400, if it just makes things a little 
> harder in a few cases, why not do it? It's not like a admin who needs 
> /proc/slabinfo to have other permissions can't arrange for that.
> 
> Having been employed as a systems administrator for many years and having 
> seen many a box cracked, my oppinion is that every little bit helps. The 
> kernel is currently not a hard target and everything we can do to harden 
> it is a good thing (within reason of course).
> 
> Why not just do both randomization and 0400 as a start? We can always 
> harden further later.

I agree that there's no harm in these patches, and they might make it
(only) slightly harder in some cases, so yes, we might as well.  I just
don't want to trick anyone into a false sense of security by thinking
that these measures by themselves are doing anything especially
substantial to prevent heap exploits.  But as you say, it's a start.

Another hardening measure that's been mentioned before is validating the
address of each to-be-returned pointer during allocation, to avoid
attacks that rely on corrupting free list pointers (i.e. compare against
TASK_SIZE).  But then we're talking about introducing additional
overhead into every single kmalloc() call.

-Dan

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-06  0:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-03 17:50 [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 0400 Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 18:17 ` Dave Hansen
2011-03-03 18:29   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 20:58 ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-03 21:16   ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 21:44     ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-03 22:30       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-03 23:08         ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04  0:32           ` Dave Hansen
2011-03-04  0:50         ` Theodore Tso
2011-03-04  6:52           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 17:36             ` Dave Hansen
2011-03-04 17:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 18:14                 ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 20:02                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 20:31                     ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 20:42                       ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-04 20:56                         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 21:08                           ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-04 21:30                             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 21:44                               ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-04 22:10                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 22:14                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 23:02                                     ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-05 16:25                                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-03-06 13:19                                         ` Alan Cox
2011-03-07 14:56                                           ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-07 16:02                                             ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 20:37                     ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-04 20:58                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-03-04 21:10                         ` Dan Rosenberg
2011-03-06  0:42                           ` Jesper Juhl
2011-03-06  0:57                             ` Dan Rosenberg [this message]
2011-03-06  1:09                             ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-06  1:15                               ` Jesper Juhl
2011-03-07 16:40                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-03-04 21:12                         ` Matt Mackall
2011-03-04 11:58           ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-03-07 14:19 [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 040 George Spelvin
2011-03-07 17:49 ` [PATCH] Make /proc/slabinfo 0400 George Spelvin

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