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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to expand_upwards
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:49:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1303242580.11237.10.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1104191325470.19358@router.home>

On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 13:35 -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > > }
> > >
> > > How in the world did you get a zone setup in node 1 with a !NUMA config?
> >
> > I told you ... I forced an allocation into the first discontiguous
> > region.  That will return 1 for page_to_nid().
> 
> How? The kernel has no concept of a node 1 without CONFIG_NUMA and so you
> cannot tell the page allocator to allocate from node 1.

Yes, it does, as I explained in the email.

> zone_to_nid is used as a fallback mechanism for page_to_nid() and as shown
> will always return 0 for !NUMA configs.
> 
> page_to_nid(x) == zone_to_nid(page_zone(x)) must hold true. It is not
> here.
> 
> > > The problem seems to be that the kernel seems to allow a
> > > definition of a page_to_nid() function that returns non zero in the !NUMA
> > > case.
> >
> > This is called reality, yes.
> 
> There you have the bug. Fix that and things will work fine.

Why don't yout file the bug against reality? I'm not sure I have enough
credibility ...

> > right, that's what I told you: slub is broken because it's making a
> > wrong assumption.  Look in asm-generic/memory_model.h it shows how the
> > page_to_nid() is used in finding the pfn array.  DISCONTIGMEM uses some
> > of the numa properties (including assigning zones to the discontiguous
> > regions).
> 
> Bitrotted code?

Don't be silly: alpha, ia64, m32r, m68k, mips, parisc, tile and even x86
all use the discontigmem memory model in some configurations.

>  If it uses numa properties then it must use a zone field
> in struct zone. So DISCONTIGMEM seems to require CONFIG_NUMA.

No ... you're giving me back your assumptions.  They're not based on
what the kernel does.  CONFIG_NUMA may or may not be defined with
CONFIG_DISCONTIGMEM.

Of all the above, only x86 always had NUMA with DISCONTIGMEM.

> > > If you think that is broken then we have brokenness all over the kernel
> > > whenever we determine the node from a page and use that to do a lookup.
> >
> > Not really.  The rest of the kernel uses the proper macros.  in
> > DISCONTIGMEM but !NUMA configs, the numa macros expand correctly.
> > You've cut across that with all the CONFIG_NUMA checks in slub.
> 
> What are "the proper macros"? AFAICT page_to_nid() is the proper way to
> access the node of a page. If page_to_nid() returns 1 then you have a zone
> that the kernel knows of as being in node 0 having a page on a different
> node.

Well it depends what you want.  If you only want the actual NUMA node,
then pfn_to_nid() probably isn't what you want, because in a
DISCONTIGMEM model, there may be multiple nids per actual numa node.

> We can likely force page_to_nid to ignore the node information that have
> been erroneously placed there but this looks like something deeper is
> wrong here. The node field in struct page is not only used for the Linux
> support of a NUMA node but also for blocks of memory. Those should be
> separate things.

Look, it's not wrong, it's by design.  The assumption that non-numa
systems don't use nodes is the wrong one.

> ---
>  include/linux/mm.h |    4 ++++
>  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> 
> Index: linux-2.6/include/linux/mm.h
> ===================================================================
> --- linux-2.6.orig/include/linux/mm.h	2011-04-19 13:20:20.092521248 -0500
> +++ linux-2.6/include/linux/mm.h	2011-04-19 13:21:05.962521196 -0500
> @@ -665,6 +665,7 @@ static inline int zone_to_nid(struct zon
>  #endif
>  }
> 
> +#ifdef CONFIG_NUMA
>  #ifdef NODE_NOT_IN_PAGE_FLAGS
>  extern int page_to_nid(struct page *page);
>  #else
> @@ -673,6 +674,9 @@ static inline int page_to_nid(struct pag
>  	return (page->flags >> NODES_PGSHIFT) & NODES_MASK;
>  }
>  #endif
> +#else
> +#define page_to_nid(x) 0
> +#endif

Don't be silly ... that breaks asm-generic/memory_model.h

James


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  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-19 19:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-15 13:51 [PATCH] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to expand_upwards Michal Hocko
2011-04-18  3:00 ` Hugh Dickins
2011-04-18 10:01   ` [PATCH v2] " Michal Hocko
2011-04-18 20:56     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20110419091022.GA21689@tiehlicka.suse.cz>
2011-04-19 11:09         ` [PATCH followup] mm: get rid of CONFIG_STACK_GROWSUP || CONFIG_IA64 Michal Hocko
2011-04-20  0:33           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-20  6:59             ` Michal Hocko
2011-04-20  7:08               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-26  7:59           ` Michal Hocko
2011-04-19 11:10       ` [PATCH v3] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to expand_upwards Michal Hocko
2011-04-19 15:46         ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 16:06           ` [PATCH v3] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to John David Anglin
2011-04-19 16:59             ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 16:07           ` [PATCH v3] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to expand_upwards James Bottomley
2011-04-19 17:05           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-19 17:11             ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 17:15               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-19 17:48                 ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 18:10                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-19 18:20                     ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 18:35                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-19 19:49                         ` James Bottomley [this message]
2011-04-19 20:56                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-19 21:21                             ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 21:39                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-19 21:48                                 ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 21:58                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-20  1:23                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-20  2:48                                       ` James Bottomley
2011-04-20  2:57                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-20 13:50                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 13:32                                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-20  5:53                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-20  7:15                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-20  7:34                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-20  8:40                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-20 16:32                                               ` James Bottomley
2011-04-20 16:50                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-20 18:09                                                   ` James Bottomley
2011-04-20 21:18                                                 ` David Rientjes
2011-04-20 22:15                                                   ` James Bottomley
2011-04-20 23:12                                                     ` David Rientjes
2011-04-21 13:16                                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-21 16:37                                                         ` James Bottomley
2011-04-21 18:33                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 18:45                                                             ` Dave Hansen
2011-04-22 18:19                                                               ` James Bottomley
2011-04-22 20:24                                                                 ` Dave Hansen
2011-04-22 20:35                                                                   ` James Bottomley
2011-04-22 21:33                                                               ` James Bottomley
2011-04-23 18:34                                                                 ` [PATCH] convert parisc to sparsemem (was Re: [PATCH v3] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to expand_upwards) James Bottomley
2011-04-24 16:27                                                                   ` John David Anglin
2011-04-26  0:32                                                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-27 16:36                                                                   ` Dave Hansen
2011-04-21 20:05                                                             ` [PATCH v3] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to expand_upwards James Bottomley
2011-04-21 21:07                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 21:22                                                                 ` James Bottomley
2011-04-21 19:33                                                         ` David Rientjes
2011-04-22  0:34                                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-21 13:03                                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-21 19:38                                                     ` David Rientjes
2011-04-21 20:02                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 21:19                                                         ` David Rientjes
2011-04-21 21:24                                                           ` James Bottomley
2011-04-21 21:34                                                             ` David Rientjes
2011-04-21 21:49                                                               ` James Bottomley
2011-04-21 22:12                                                                 ` David Rientjes
2011-04-22  8:02                                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-22 13:49                                                                     ` James Bottomley
2011-04-22 17:00                                                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-22 17:03                                                                         ` James Bottomley
2011-04-21 21:41                                                           ` [patch] mm: always set nodes with regular memory in N_NORMAL_MEMORY David Rientjes
2011-04-22  0:36                                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-04-20 21:05                                               ` [PATCH v3] mm: make expand_downwards symmetrical to expand_upwards David Rientjes
2011-04-20 11:20                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2011-04-20 11:28                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-20 14:15                                                 ` James Bottomley
2011-04-20 14:50                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-20 15:02                                                     ` James Bottomley
2011-04-20 15:22                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-20 19:25                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2011-04-20 21:42                                                         ` David Rientjes
2011-04-21 16:06                                                           ` James Bottomley
2011-04-21 22:19                                                             ` David Rientjes
2011-04-21 22:31                                                               ` James Bottomley
2011-04-20 13:58                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-20 21:34                                               ` David Rientjes
2011-04-20 14:07                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-20  2:33                                     ` James Bottomley
2011-04-19 17:12             ` Christoph Lameter

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