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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	"Kirill A.Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] mm: Improve swap path scalability with batched operations
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 10:13:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1462381986.30611.28.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160504124535.GJ29978@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, 2016-05-04 at 14:45 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 03-05-16 14:00:39, Tim Chen wrote:
> [...]
> > 
> > A include/linux/swap.h |A A 29 ++-
> > A mm/swap_state.cA A A A A A | 253 +++++++++++++-----
> > A mm/swapfile.cA A A A A A A A | 215 +++++++++++++--
> > A mm/vmscan.cA A A A A A A A A A | 725 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> > ------------
> > A 4 files changed, 945 insertions(+), 277 deletions(-)
> This is rather large change for a normally rare path. We have been
> trying to preserve the anonymous memory as much as possible and
> rather
> push the page cache out. In fact swappiness is ignored most of the
> time for the vast majority of workloads.
> 
> So this would help anonymous mostly workloads and I am really
> wondering
> whether this is something worth bothering without further and deeper
> rethinking of our current reclaim strategy. I fully realize that the
> swap out sucks and that the new storage technologies might change the
> way how we think about anonymous memory being so "special" wrt. disk
> based caches but I would like to see a stronger use case than "we
> have
> been playing with some artificial use case and it scales better"

With non-volatile ram based block devices, swap device could be very
fast, approaching RAM speed and can potentially be used as a secondary
memory. Just configuring these NVRAM as swap will be
an easy way for apps to make use of them without doing any heavy
lifting to change the apps. A But the swap path is soA 
un-scalable today that such use case
is unfeasible, even more so for multi-threaded server machines.

I understand that the patch set is a little large. Any better
ideas for achieving similar ends will be appreciated. A I put
out these patches in the hope that it will spur solutions
to improve swap.

Perhaps the first two patches to make shrink_page_list into
smaller components can be considered first, as a first stepA 
to make any changes to the reclaim code easier.

Thanks.

Tim

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-04 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1462306228.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
2016-05-03 21:00 ` [PATCH 0/7] mm: Improve swap path scalability with batched operations Tim Chen
2016-05-04 12:45   ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04 17:13     ` Tim Chen [this message]
2016-05-04 19:49       ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-04 21:05         ` Andi Kleen
2016-05-04 21:25         ` Johannes Weiner
2016-05-05  0:08           ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-05  7:49           ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-05 15:56             ` Tim Chen
2016-05-03 21:01 ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: Cleanup - Reorganize the shrink_page_list code into smaller functions Tim Chen
2016-05-27 16:40   ` Tim Chen
2016-05-30  8:48     ` Michal Hocko
2016-05-03 21:01 ` [PATCH 2/7] mm: Group the processing of anonymous pages to be swapped in shrink_page_list Tim Chen
2016-05-03 21:02 ` [PATCH 3/7] mm: Add new functions to allocate swap slots in batches Tim Chen
2016-05-03 21:02 ` [PATCH 4/7] mm: Shrink page list batch allocates swap slots for page swapping Tim Chen
2016-05-03 21:02 ` [PATCH 5/7] mm: Batch addtion of pages to swap cache Tim Chen
2016-05-03 21:03 ` [PATCH 6/7] mm: Cleanup - Reorganize code to group handling of page Tim Chen
2016-05-03 21:03 ` [PATCH 7/7] mm: Batch unmapping of pages that are in swap cache Tim Chen

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