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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
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	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
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	"Janosch Frank" <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Claudio Imbrenda" <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
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	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Mario Casquero" <mcasquer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/7] s390/sparsemem: reduce section size to 128 MiB
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:47:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <177ca9d5-9fc7-4f43-83fb-ea5105621cc8@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241014175335.10447-B-hca@linux.ibm.com>

On 14.10.24 19:53, Heiko Carstens wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 04:46:19PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> Ever since commit 421c175c4d609 ("[S390] Add support for memory hot-add.")
>> we've been using a section size of 256 MiB on s390 and 32 MiB on s390.
>> Before that, we were using a section size of 32 MiB on both
>> architectures.
>>
>> Likely the reason was that we'd expect a storage increment size of
>> 256 MiB under z/VM back then. As we didn't support memory blocks spanning
>> multiple memory sections, we would have had to handle having multiple
>> memory blocks for a single storage increment, which complicates things.
>> Although that issue reappeared with even bigger storage increment sizes
>> later, nowadays we have memory blocks that can span multiple memory
>> sections and we avoid any such issue completely.
> 
> I doubt that z/VM had support for memory hotplug back then already; and the
> sclp memory hotplug code was always written in a way that it could handle
> increment sizes smaller, larger or equal to section sizes.
 > > If I remember correctly the section size was also be used to 
represent each
> piece of memory in sysfs (aka memory block). So the different sizes were
> chosen to avoid an excessive number of sysfs entries on 64 bit.
 > > This problem went away later with the introduction of 
memory_block_size.
> 
> Even further back in time I think there were static arrays which had
> 2^(MAX_PHYSMEM_BITS - SECTION_SIZE_BITS) elements.

Interesting. I'll drop the "Likely ..." paragraph then!

> 
> I just gave it a try and, as nowadays expected, bloat-o-meter doesn't
> indicate anything like that anymore.
> 
>> 128 MiB has been used by x86-64 since the very beginning. arm64 with 4k
>> base pages switched to 128 MiB as well: it's just big enough on these
>> architectures to allows for using a huge page (2 MiB) in the vmemmap in
>> sane setups with sizeof(struct page) == 64 bytes and a huge page mapping
>> in the direct mapping, while still allowing for small hot(un)plug
>> granularity.
>>
>> For s390, we could even switch to a 64 MiB section size, as our huge page
>> size is 1 MiB: but the smaller the section size, the more sections we'll
>> have to manage especially on bigger machines. Making it consistent with
>> x86-64 and arm64 feels like te right thing for now.
> 
> That's fine with me.
> 
> Acked-by: Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>
> 

Thanks!

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-14 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-14 14:46 [PATCH v2 0/7] virtio-mem: s390 support David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 14:46 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] s390/kdump: implement is_kdump_kernel() David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 18:20   ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-14 19:26     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  8:30       ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-15  8:41         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  8:53           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  8:56             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15 10:08           ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-15 10:40             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-16 13:35               ` Alexander Egorenkov
2024-10-16 15:47                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-16 15:54                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-21 12:46                   ` Alexander Egorenkov
2024-10-21 14:45                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-23  7:42                       ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-23  7:45                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-23 11:17                       ` Alexander Egorenkov
2024-10-14 14:46 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] Documentation: s390-diag.rst: make diag500 a generic KVM hypercall David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 18:04   ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-14 19:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  8:12       ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-15  8:16         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  8:21           ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-15  8:32             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  8:46               ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-15  8:48                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 14:46 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] Documentation: s390-diag.rst: document diag500(STORAGE LIMIT) subfunction David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 14:46 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] s390/physmem_info: query diag500(STORAGE LIMIT) to support QEMU/KVM memory devices David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 18:43   ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-14 19:42     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15 15:01     ` Eric Farman
2024-10-15 15:20       ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-25 10:52         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-16 10:37       ` Halil Pasic
2024-10-17  7:36   ` Alexander Gordeev
2024-10-17  8:19     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-17  9:53       ` Alexander Gordeev
2024-10-17 10:00         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-17 12:07           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-17 14:32             ` Alexander Gordeev
2024-10-17 14:36               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-30 14:30   ` Alexander Gordeev
2024-10-30 14:33     ` Alexander Gordeev
2024-10-14 14:46 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] virtio-mem: s390 support David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 18:48   ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-14 19:16     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  8:37       ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-21  6:33         ` Christian Borntraeger
2024-10-21 12:19           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 14:46 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] lib/Kconfig.debug: default STRICT_DEVMEM to "y" on s390 David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 18:53   ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-14 14:46 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] s390/sparsemem: reduce section size to 128 MiB David Hildenbrand
2024-10-14 17:53   ` Heiko Carstens
2024-10-14 19:47     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-10-14 18:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] virtio-mem: s390 support Heiko Carstens
2024-10-14 19:17   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15  7:57   ` Claudio Imbrenda
2024-10-25 10:54     ` David Hildenbrand

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