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From: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
To: "song@kernel.org" <song@kernel.org>,
	"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"mcgrof@kernel.org" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"daniel@iogearbox.net" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"ast@kernel.org" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"bpf@vger.kernel.org" <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-team@fb.com" <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Torvalds, Linus" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 bpf-next 5/8] bpf: use module_alloc_huge for bpf_prog_pack
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 03:20:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17c6110273d59e3fdeea3338abefac03951ff404.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yog5yXqAQZAmpgCD@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Fri, 2022-05-20 at 18:00 -0700, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> although VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS is rather new my concern here is we're
> essentially enabling sloppy users to grow without also addressing
> what if we have to take the leash back to support
> VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS
> properly? If the hack to support this on other architectures other
> than
> x86 is as simple as the one you in vm_remove_mappings() today:
> 
>         if (flush_reset &&
> !IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_SET_DIRECT_MAP)) {
>                 set_memory_nx(addr, area->nr_pages);
>                 set_memory_rw(addr, area->nr_pages);
>         }
> 
> then I suppose this isn't a big deal. I'm just concerned here this
> being
> a slippery slope of sloppiness leading to something which we will
> regret later.
> 
> My intution tells me this shouldn't be a big issue, but I just want
> to
> confirm.

Yea, I commented the same concern on the last thread:

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/83a69976cb93e69c5ad7a9511b5e57c402eee19d.camel@intel.com/

Song said he plans to make kprobes and ftrace work with this new
allocator. If that happens VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS would only have one
user - modules. Care to chime in with your plans for modules? If there
are actual near term plans to keep working on this,
VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS might be changed again or turn into something
else. Like if we are about to re-think everything, then it doesn't
matter as much to fix what would then be old.

Besides not fixing VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS/hibernate though, I think this
allocator still feels a little rough. For example I don't think we
actually know how much the huge mappings are helping. It is also
allocating memory in a big chunk from a single node and reusing it,
where before we were allocating based on numa node for each jit. Would
some user's suffer from that? Maybe it's obvious to others, but I would
have expected to see more discussion of MM things like that.

But I like general direction of caching and using text_poke() to write
the jits a lot. However it works, it seems to make a big impact in at
least some workloads.

So yea, seems sloppy, but probably (...I guess?) more good for users
then sloppy for us.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-21  3:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-20  3:15 [PATCH v3 bpf-next 0/8] bpf_prog_pack followup Song Liu
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 1/8] bpf: fill new bpf_prog_pack with illegal instructions Song Liu
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 2/8] x86/alternative: introduce text_poke_set Song Liu
2022-05-22  5:38   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 3/8] bpf: introduce bpf_arch_text_invalidate for bpf_prog_pack Song Liu
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 4/8] module: introduce module_alloc_huge Song Liu
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 5/8] bpf: use module_alloc_huge for bpf_prog_pack Song Liu
2022-05-21  1:00   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-21  1:20     ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-21  3:20     ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2022-05-21 20:06       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-24 17:40         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-05-24 22:08           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-25  6:01             ` hch
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 6/8] vmalloc: WARN for set_vm_flush_reset_perms() on huge pages Song Liu
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 7/8] vmalloc: introduce huge_vmalloc_supported Song Liu
2022-05-20  3:15 ` [PATCH v3 bpf-next 8/8] bpf: simplify select_bpf_prog_pack_size Song Liu

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