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From: Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: Re: [linux-pm] Memory allocations in .suspend became very unreliable)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:04:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <195c7a901001190104x164381f9v4a58d1fce70b17b6@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1263871194.724.520.camel@pasglop>

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:19 AM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
<benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 10:19 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>> I think the race happen itself is bad. memory and I/O subsystem can't solve such race
>> elegantly. These doesn't know enough suspend state knowlege. I think the practical
>> solution is that higher level design prevent the race happen.
>>
>>
>> > My patch attempts to avoid these two problems as well as the problem with
>> > drivers using GFP_KERNEL allocations during suspend which I admit might be
>> > solved by reworking the drivers.
>>
>> Agreed. In this case, only drivers change can solve the issue.
>
> As I explained earlier, this is near to impossible since the allocations
> are too often burried deep down the call stack or simply because the
> driver doesn't know that we started suspending -another- driver...
>
> I don't think trying to solve those problems at the driver level is
> realistic to be honest. This is one of those things where we really just
> need to make allocators 'just work' from a driver perspective.

Instead of masking bit could we only check if incompatible flags are
used during suspend, and warm deeply. Call stack will be therefore
identified, and we could have some metrics about such problem.

It will be a debug option like lockdep but pretty low cost.

My 2 cents.

Bastien

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-19  9:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1263549544.3112.10.camel@maxim-laptop>
     [not found] ` <1263678289.4276.4.camel@maxim-laptop>
     [not found]   ` <201001162317.39940.rjw@sisk.pl>
2010-01-17  0:38     ` [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: Re: [linux-pm] Memory allocations in .suspend became very unreliable) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-17  1:24       ` Oliver Neukum
2010-01-17 13:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-17 13:36           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-17 18:58           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-17 23:00             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-18  7:53               ` Oliver Neukum
2010-01-18 16:17                 ` [linux-pm] [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: " Alan Stern
2010-01-18 20:59                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-19 15:13                     ` Alan Stern
2010-01-18 20:56                 ` [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: Re: [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-18 21:55               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-18 23:33                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-17 13:55       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-17 16:21         ` [linux-pm] [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: " Minchan Kim
2010-01-17 16:23           ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-18  0:25           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-18  2:20             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-18 21:06               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-19  9:15                 ` Oliver Neukum
2010-01-19 20:34                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-18 17:00         ` [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: Re: [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2010-01-18 20:41           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-19  9:25             ` Oliver Neukum
2010-01-19 20:37               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-20 14:05                 ` Oliver Neukum
2010-01-20 21:13                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-18  2:16       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-18 20:55         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-19  1:19           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-19  3:19             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-19  9:04               ` Bastien ROUCARIES [this message]
2010-01-19 23:17                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-20 11:31                   ` Oliver Neukum
2010-01-20 21:11                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-20 21:12                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-19 20:47               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-20  0:33                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-20 21:21                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-21  0:47                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-21 20:21                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-21 20:42                         ` [linux-pm] [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: " Nigel Cunningham
2010-01-21 21:38                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-22  1:31                         ` [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: Re: [linux-pm] " KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-22  1:42                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-22 10:11                             ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-01-22 21:19                               ` [Update][PATCH] MM / PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/hibernation and resume Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-23  9:29                                 ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-01-25 21:49                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-25 21:52                                     ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2010-01-30 18:56                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-30 20:42                                         ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-01-30 20:53                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-22 20:58                           ` [RFC][PATCH] PM: Force GFP_NOIO during suspend/resume (was: Re: [linux-pm] Memory allocations in .suspend became very unreliable) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-30 15:46       ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-01-30 18:47         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-30 20:37           ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-02-01 19:51             ` Maxim Levitsky

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