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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, willy@infradead.org
Cc: ryan.roberts@arm.com, anshuman.khandual@arm.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, cl@gentwo.org, vbabka@suse.cz,
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	aneesh.kumar@kernel.org, yang@os.amperecomputing.com,
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Subject: Re: Race condition observed between page migration and page fault handling on arm64 machines
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 15:13:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19902a48-c59b-4e3b-afc5-e792506c2fd6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <92df0ee1-d3c9-41e2-834c-284127ae2c4c@arm.com>

>>> To dampen the tradeoff, we could do this in shmem_fault() instead? But
>>> then, this would mean that we do this in all
>>>
>>> kinds of vma->vm_ops->fault, only when we discover another reference
>>> count race condition :) Doing this in do_fault()
>>>
>>> should solve this once and for all. In fact, do_pte_missing() may call
>>> do_anonymous_page() or do_fault(), and I just
>>>
>>> noticed that the former already checks this using vmf_pte_changed().
>>
>> What I am still missing is why this is (a) arm64 only; and (b) if this
>> is something we should really worry about. There are other reasons
>> (e.g., speculative references) why migration could temporarily fail,
>> does it happen that often that it is really something we have to worry
>> about?
> 
> 
> (a) See discussion at [1]; I guess it passes on x86, which is quite
> strange since the race is clearly arch-independent.

Yes, I think this is what we have to understand. Is the race simply less 
likely to trigger on x86?

I would assume that it would trigger on any arch.

I just ran it on a x86 VM with 2 NUMA nodes and it also seems to work here.

Is this maybe related to deferred flushing? Such that the other CPU will 
by accident just observe the !pte_none a little less likely?

But arm64 also usually defers flushes, right? At least unless 
ARM64_WORKAROUND_REPEAT_TLBI is around. With that we never do deferred 
flushes.

> 
> (b) On my machine, on an average in under 10 iterations of move_pages(),
> it fails, which seems problematic to

Yes, it's a big difference compared to what I encounter.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-01 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-01  8:16 Race condition observed between page migration and page fault handling on arm64 machines Dev Jain
2024-08-01  8:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-01  9:38   ` Dev Jain
2024-08-01  9:41     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-01 10:05       ` Dev Jain
2024-08-01 13:13         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-08-01 13:26           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-01 13:43             ` Will Deacon
2024-08-01 13:48               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-01 14:25                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-08-05  9:51                 ` Dev Jain
2024-08-05 10:46                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-05 14:14                     ` Dev Jain
     [not found]                       ` <a8c813b5-abce-48cf-9d14-2f969d6c8180@redhat.com>
     [not found]                         ` <8158c9d6-cbfe-4767-be8e-dc227b29200c@arm.com>
2024-08-09 13:23                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-09 13:26                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-01 10:06       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-08-01 13:15         ` David Hildenbrand

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