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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Benjamin Berg <benjamin@sipsolutions.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 13:41:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19e81e87-7430-4e23-ac67-dbb987496dd4@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7e91bea34552472757a8eec425d1d10643ca584b.camel@sipsolutions.net>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 01:24:49PM +0100, Benjamin Berg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 2025-02-25 at 10:37 +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 08:45:21AM +0000, Berg, Benjamin wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2025-02-25 at 06:22 +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:52:44PM +0000, jeffxu@chromium.org wrote:
> > > > > From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > Provide support for CONFIG_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS on UML, covering
> > > > > the vdso.
> > > > >
> > > > > Testing passes on UML.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe expand on this by stating that it has been confirmed by Benjamin (I
> > > > _believe_) that UML has no need for problematic relocation so this is known to
> > > > be good.
> > >
> > > I may well be misreading this message, but this sounds to me that this
> > > is a misinterpretation. So, just to clarify in case that is needed.
> > >
> > > CONFIG_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS does work fine for the UML kernel.
> > > However, the UML kernel is a normal userspace application itself and
> > > for this application to run, the host kernel must have the feature
> > > disabled.
> > >
> > > So, UML supports the feature. But it still *cannot* run on a host
> > > machine that has the feature enabled.
> >
> > Sigh ok. Apologies if I misunderstood.
> >
> > Is there any point having this for the 'guest' system? I mean security wise are
> > we concerned about sealing of system mappings?
> >
> > I feel like having this here might just add confusion and churn if it's not
> > useful.
> >
> > If this is useless for UML guest, let's just drop this patch.
>
> I figured it is not a lot of churn and there isn't really any cost to
> enabling the feature.
>
> That said, the only possible real-life use case I can see is doing MM
> subsystem testing using UML. We certainly do not need the feature to
> run our UML based wireless stack and driver tests.

OK ack - my concern is users getting confused about this ironic host
vs. client thing, must disable the security feature in the _actual kernel_
to enable it in the client.

I'm not sure this is really worth it?

I mean I agree this isn't a _huge_ amount added here and I don't want to be
difficult - Jeff, Kees are you really keen on having this? Do you have
specific use cases in mind or was this just a 'because we can':>)

I guess if intent is to slowly add architectures, it's not totally insane
since we kinda know this one is ok so if that's what it is, probably won't
oppose it _too_ badly.

>
> Benjamin
>
> >
> > >
> > > Benjamin
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
> > > > > Tested-by: Benjamin Berg <benjamin.berg@intel.com>
> > > >
> > > > Anyway I know UML has at any rate been confirmed to be good to go +
> > > > patch looks
> > > > fine, so:
> > > >
> > > > Reviewed-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> >
> > OK guess drop this tag please until we can figure this out, sorry Jeff.

(to be clear this is just temporary while we establish what's up with this
situation! :>)

> >
> > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >  arch/um/Kconfig        | 1 +
> > > > >  arch/x86/um/vdso/vma.c | 6 ++++--
> > > > >  2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/arch/um/Kconfig b/arch/um/Kconfig
> > > > > index 18051b1cfce0..eb2d439a5334 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/um/Kconfig
> > > > > +++ b/arch/um/Kconfig
> > > > > @@ -10,6 +10,7 @@ config UML
> > > > >  	select ARCH_HAS_FORTIFY_SOURCE
> > > > >  	select ARCH_HAS_GCOV_PROFILE_ALL
> > > > >  	select ARCH_HAS_KCOV
> > > > > +	select ARCH_HAS_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS
> > > > >  	select ARCH_HAS_STRNCPY_FROM_USER
> > > > >  	select ARCH_HAS_STRNLEN_USER
> > > > >  	select HAVE_ARCH_AUDITSYSCALL
> > > > > diff --git a/arch/x86/um/vdso/vma.c b/arch/x86/um/vdso/vma.c
> > > > > index f238f7b33cdd..fdfba858ffc9 100644
> > > > > --- a/arch/x86/um/vdso/vma.c
> > > > > +++ b/arch/x86/um/vdso/vma.c
> > > > > @@ -54,6 +54,7 @@ int arch_setup_additional_pages(struct
> > > > > linux_binprm *bprm, int uses_interp)
> > > > >  {
> > > > >  	struct vm_area_struct *vma;
> > > > >  	struct mm_struct *mm = current->mm;
> > > > > +	unsigned long vm_flags;
> > > > >  	static struct vm_special_mapping vdso_mapping = {
> > > > >  		.name = "[vdso]",
> > > > >  	};
> > > > > @@ -65,9 +66,10 @@ int arch_setup_additional_pages(struct
> > > > > linux_binprm *bprm, int uses_interp)
> > > > >  		return -EINTR;
> > > > >
> > > > >  	vdso_mapping.pages = vdsop;
> > > > > +	vm_flags =
> > > > > VM_READ|VM_EXEC|VM_MAYREAD|VM_MAYWRITE|VM_MAYEXEC;
> > > > > +	vm_flags |= VM_SEALED_SYSMAP;
> > > > >  	vma = _install_special_mapping(mm, um_vdso_addr,
> > > > > PAGE_SIZE,
> > > > > -		VM_READ|VM_EXEC|
> > > > > -		VM_MAYREAD|VM_MAYWRITE|VM_MAYEXEC,
> > > > > +		vm_flags,
> > > > >  		&vdso_mapping);
> > > > >
> > > > >  	mmap_write_unlock(mm);
> > > > > --
> > > > > 2.48.1.658.g4767266eb4-goog
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Intel Deutschland GmbH
> > > Registered Address: Am Campeon 10, 85579 Neubiberg, Germany
> > > Tel: +49 89 99 8853-0, www.intel.de
> > > Managing Directors: Sean Fennelly, Jeffrey Schneiderman, Tiffany Doon Silva
> > > Chairperson of the Supervisory Board: Nicole Lau
> > > Registered Office: Munich
> > > Commercial Register: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 186928
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-25 13:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 22:52 [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  1:33     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  6:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:04         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:22   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-25 15:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:04     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] selftests: x86: test_mremap_vdso: skip if vdso is msealed jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:15   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:37     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:58       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] mseal, system mappings: enable x86-64 jeffxu
2025-02-25  1:03   ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26  0:21     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25  8:08   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-26  0:48     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  7:35       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-27 21:44         ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] mseal, system mappings: enable arm64 jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:20   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:26     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:25       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 17:11         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 17:17           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 17:43             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:48               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:31                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25  8:45     ` Berg, Benjamin
2025-02-25 10:37       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 12:24         ` Benjamin Berg
2025-02-25 13:41           ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-02-25 13:59             ` Johannes Berg
2025-02-25 15:06         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-25 15:31           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 18:38             ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26  0:00               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping jeffxu
2025-02-25  6:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:06     ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 16:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:01       ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:06         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:19           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 18:20           ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:25             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:38               ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:39                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 21:48             ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] mseal, system mappings: update mseal.rst jeffxu
2025-02-24 23:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings Pedro Falcato
2025-02-24 23:07   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25  6:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:17   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  6:00     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:43       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:12   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:42     ` your mail Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:55       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28  9:35         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 17:24           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 17:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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