From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Roy, Patrick" <roypat@amazon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 06/12] KVM: guest_memfd: add module param for disabling TLB flushing
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2025 21:32:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b34dd89-cbbb-474e-be75-808e174c8ed9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250925155051.2959-1-roypat@amazon.co.uk>
On 25.09.25 17:50, Roy, Patrick wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-09-25 at 12:02 +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 24.09.25 17:22, Roy, Patrick wrote:
>>> Add an option to not perform TLB flushes after direct map manipulations.
>>> TLB flushes result in a up to 40x elongation of page faults in
>>> guest_memfd (scaling with the number of CPU cores), or a 5x elongation
>>> of memory population, which is inacceptable when wanting to use direct
>>> map removed guest_memfd as a drop-in replacement for existing workloads.
>>>
>>> TLB flushes are not needed for functional correctness (the virt->phys
>>> mapping technically stays "correct", the kernel should simply not use it
>>> for a while), so we can skip them to keep performance in-line with
>>> "traditional" VMs.
>>>
>>> Enabling this option means that the desired protection from
>>> Spectre-style attacks is not perfect, as an attacker could try to
>>> prevent a stale TLB entry from getting evicted, keeping it alive until
>>> the page it refers to is used by the guest for some sensitive data, and
>>> then targeting it using a spectre-gadget.
>>>
>>> Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
>>> Signed-off-by: Patrick Roy <roypat@amazon.co.uk>
>>> ---
>>> include/linux/kvm_host.h | 1 +
>>> virt/kvm/guest_memfd.c | 3 ++-
>>> virt/kvm/kvm_main.c | 3 +++
>>> 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/include/linux/kvm_host.h b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
>>> index 73a15cade54a..4d2bc18860fc 100644
>>> --- a/include/linux/kvm_host.h
>>> +++ b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
>>> @@ -2298,6 +2298,7 @@ extern unsigned int halt_poll_ns;
>>> extern unsigned int halt_poll_ns_grow;
>>> extern unsigned int halt_poll_ns_grow_start;
>>> extern unsigned int halt_poll_ns_shrink;
>>> +extern bool guest_memfd_tlb_flush;
>>>
>>> struct kvm_device {
>>> const struct kvm_device_ops *ops;
>>> diff --git a/virt/kvm/guest_memfd.c b/virt/kvm/guest_memfd.c
>>> index b7129c4868c5..d8dd24459f0d 100644
>>> --- a/virt/kvm/guest_memfd.c
>>> +++ b/virt/kvm/guest_memfd.c
>>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ static int kvm_gmem_folio_zap_direct_map(struct folio *folio)
>>> if (!r) {
>>> unsigned long addr = (unsigned long) folio_address(folio);
>>> folio->private = (void *) ((u64) folio->private & KVM_GMEM_FOLIO_NO_DIRECT_MAP);
>>> - flush_tlb_kernel_range(addr, addr + folio_size(folio));
>>> + if (guest_memfd_tlb_flush)
>>> + flush_tlb_kernel_range(addr, addr + folio_size(folio));
>>> }
>>>
>>> return r;
>>> diff --git a/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c b/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
>>> index b5e702d95230..753c06ebba7f 100644
>>> --- a/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
>>> +++ b/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
>>> @@ -95,6 +95,9 @@ unsigned int halt_poll_ns_shrink = 2;
>>> module_param(halt_poll_ns_shrink, uint, 0644);
>>> EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(halt_poll_ns_shrink);
>>>
>>> +bool guest_memfd_tlb_flush = true;
>>> +module_param(guest_memfd_tlb_flush, bool, 0444);
>>
>> The parameter name is a bit too generic. I think you somehow have to
>> incorporate the "direct_map" aspects.
>
> Fair :)
>
>> Also, I wonder if this could be a capability per vm/guest_memfd?
>
> I don't really have any opinions on how to expose this knob, but I
> thought capabilities should be additive? (e.g. we only have
> KVM_ENABLE_EXTENSION(), and then having a capability with a negative
> polarity "enable to _not_ do TLB flushes" is a bit weird in my head).
Well, you are enabling the "skip-tlbflush" feature :) So a kernel that
knows that extension could skip tlb flushes.
So I wouldn't see this as "perform-tlbflush" but "skip-tlbflush" /
"no-tlbflush"
> Then again, if people are fine having TLB flushes be opt-in instead of
> opt-out (Will's comment on v6 makes me believe that the opt-out itself
> might already be controversial for arm64), a capability would work.
Yeah, I think this definitely should be opt-in: opt-in to slightly less
security in a given timeframe by performing less tlb flushes.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-25 19:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-24 15:10 [PATCH v7 00/12] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] arch: export set_direct_map_valid_noflush to KVM module Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] x86/tlb: export flush_tlb_kernel_range " Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 11:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 15:52 ` Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 19:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26 14:49 ` Patrick Roy
2025-10-31 17:30 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-01 9:39 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-03 10:35 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-03 10:50 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-04 11:08 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-10 12:34 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-03 7:57 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] KVM: guest_memfd: add module param for disabling TLB flushing Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 11:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 15:50 ` Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 19:32 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-25 18:27 ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-25 19:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 19:59 ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-25 20:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26 9:46 ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-26 10:53 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-26 20:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-27 7:38 ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-29 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-11 14:32 ` Patrick Roy
2025-11-07 15:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-11-07 17:22 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-07 17:21 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-10-30 16:05 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-31 18:31 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] KVM: selftests: load elf via bounce buffer Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] KVM: selftests: set KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD in vm_mem_add() if guest_memfd != -1 Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd based vm_mem_backing_src_types Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] KVM: selftests: cover GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP in existing selftests Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] KVM: selftests: stuff vm_mem_backing_src_type into vm_shape Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] KVM: selftests: Test guest execution from direct map removed gmem Roy, Patrick
2025-10-30 17:18 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-25 10:26 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 10:25 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP David Hildenbrand
2025-09-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-11-07 15:54 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 17:23 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-07 18:04 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 18:11 ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-10 15:36 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 17:37 ` Brendan Jackman
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