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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
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Cc: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 18/35] mm: Add guard pages around a shadow stack.
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 22:38:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b5d83dc4cd84309823f012a3dce24f0@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f92c5110-7d97-b68d-d387-7e6a16a29e49@intel.com>

From: Dave Hansen
> Sent: 09 February 2022 22:24
> 
> On 1/30/22 13:18, Rick Edgecombe wrote:
> > INCSSP(Q/D) increments shadow stack pointer and 'pops and discards' the
> > first and the last elements in the range, effectively touches those memory
> > areas.
> 
> This is a pretty close copy of the instruction reference text for
> INCSSP.  I'm feeling rather dense today, but that's just not making any
> sense.
> 
> The pseudocode is more sensible in the SDM.  I think this needs a better
> explanation:
> 
> 	The INCSSP instruction increments the shadow stack pointer.  It
> 	is the shadow stack analog of an instruction like:
> 
> 		addq	$0x80, %rsp
> 
> 	However, there is one important difference between an ADD on
> 	%rsp and INCSSP.  In addition to modifying SSP, INCSSP also
> 	reads from the memory of the first and last elements that were
> 	"popped".  You can think of it as acting like this:
> 
> 	READ_ONCE(ssp);       // read+discard top element on stack
> 	ssp += nr_to_pop * 8; // move the shadow stack
> 	READ_ONCE(ssp-8);     // read+discard last popped stack element
> 
> 
> > The maximum moving distance by INCSSPQ is 255 * 8 = 2040 bytes and
> > 255 * 4 = 1020 bytes by INCSSPD.  Both ranges are far from PAGE_SIZE.
> 
> ... That maximum distance, combined with an a guard pages at the end of
> a shadow stack ensures that INCSSP will fault before it is able to move
> across an entire guard page.
> 
> > Thus, putting a gap page on both ends of a shadow stack prevents INCSSP,
> > CALL, and RET from going beyond.

Do you need a real guard page?
Or is it just enough to ensure that the adjacent page isn't another
shadow stack page?

Any other page will cause a fault because the PTE isn't readonly+dirty.

I'm not sure how common single page allocates are in Linux.
But adjacent shadow stacks may be rare anyway.
So a check against both adjacent PTE entries would suffice.
Or maybe always allocate an even (or odd) numbered page.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-10 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-30 21:18 [PATCH 00/35] Shadow stacks for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 01/35] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 02/35] x86/cet/shstk: Add Kconfig option for Shadow Stack Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-07 22:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-08  8:41     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-08 20:20       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-08  8:39   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 03/35] x86/cpufeatures: Add CET CPU feature flags for Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-07 22:45   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-08 20:23     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-09  1:10   ` Kees Cook
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 04/35] x86/cpufeatures: Introduce CPU setup and option parsing for CET Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-07 22:49   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-08 20:29     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 05/35] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-07 23:28   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-08 21:36     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 06/35] x86/cet: Add control-protection fault handler Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-07 23:56   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-08 22:23     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 07/35] x86/mm: Remove _PAGE_DIRTY from kernel RO pages Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-08  0:13   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-08 22:52     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 08/35] x86/mm: Move pmd_write(), pud_write() up in the file Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 09/35] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-08  1:05   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 10/35] drm/i915/gvt: Change _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_BITS Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 16:58   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-11  1:39     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-11  7:13       ` Wang, Zhi A
2022-02-12  1:45         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 11/35] x86/mm: Update pte_modify for _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 18:00   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 12/35] x86/mm: Update ptep_set_wrprotect() and pmdp_set_wrprotect() for transition from _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 18:30   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 13/35] mm: Move VM_UFFD_MINOR_BIT from 37 to 38 Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 14/35] mm: Introduce VM_SHADOW_STACK for shadow stack memory Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 21:55   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 15/35] x86/mm: Check Shadow Stack page fault errors Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 19:06   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 16/35] x86/mm: Update maybe_mkwrite() for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 21:16   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 17/35] mm: Fixup places that call pte_mkwrite() directly Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 21:51   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 18/35] mm: Add guard pages around a shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 22:23   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-10 22:38     ` David Laight [this message]
2022-02-10 23:42       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-11  9:08         ` David Laight
2022-02-10 22:43   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-10 23:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-10 23:40       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-11 17:54         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-12  0:10           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 19/35] mm/mmap: Add shadow stack pages to memory accounting Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 22:27   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 20/35] mm: Update can_follow_write_pte() for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-09 22:50   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-09 22:52   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-10 22:45     ` David Laight
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 21/35] mm/mprotect: Exclude shadow stack from preserve_write Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-10 19:27   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 22/35] x86/mm: Prevent VM_WRITE shadow stacks Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-11 22:19   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-12  1:44     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 23/35] x86/fpu: Add helpers for modifying supervisor xstate Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-08  8:51   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-09 19:55     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-12  0:27   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-12  2:31     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 24/35] mm: Re-introduce vm_flags to do_mmap() Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 25/35] x86/cet/shstk: Add user-mode shadow stack support Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-11 23:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-12  0:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-12  0:11       ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-12  0:12     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 26/35] x86/process: Change copy_thread() argument 'arg' to 'stack_size' Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-08  8:38   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-11  2:09     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-14 12:33   ` Jann Horn
2022-02-15  1:22     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-15  8:49       ` Christian Brauner
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 27/35] x86/fpu: Add unsafe xsave buffer helpers Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 28/35] x86/cet/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 29/35] x86/cet/shstk: Introduce shadow stack token setup/verify routines Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 30/35] x86/cet/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 31/35] x86/cet/shstk: Add arch_prctl elf feature functions Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 32/35] x86/cet/shstk: Introduce map_shadow_stack syscall Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 33/35] selftests/x86: Add map_shadow_stack syscall test Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-03 22:42   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-04  1:22     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 34/35] x86/cet/shstk: Support wrss for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2022-01-31  7:56   ` Florian Weimer
2022-01-31 18:26     ` H.J. Lu
2022-01-31 18:45       ` Florian Weimer
2022-01-30 21:18 ` [PATCH 35/35] x86/cpufeatures: Limit shadow stack to Intel CPUs Rick Edgecombe
2022-02-03 21:58   ` John Allen
2022-02-03 22:23     ` H.J. Lu
2022-02-04 22:21       ` John Allen
2022-02-03 21:07 ` [PATCH 00/35] Shadow stacks for userspace Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-04  1:08   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-04  5:20     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-04 20:23       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-05 13:26     ` David Laight
2022-02-05 13:29       ` H.J. Lu
2022-02-05 20:15         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-05 20:21           ` H.J. Lu
2022-02-06 13:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-06 13:42           ` David Laight
2022-02-06 13:55             ` H.J. Lu
2022-02-07 10:22             ` Florian Weimer
2022-02-08  1:46             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-08  1:31           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-08  9:31             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-08 16:15               ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-06 13:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-06 18:42 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-07  7:20   ` Adrian Reber
2022-02-07 16:30     ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-08  9:16       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-08  9:29         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2022-02-08 16:21           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-08 17:02             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2022-02-09  2:18               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-02-09  6:43                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2022-02-09 10:53                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-10  2:37                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-10  2:53                   ` H.J. Lu
2022-02-10 13:52                     ` Willgerodt, Felix
2022-02-11  7:41                   ` avagin
2022-02-11  8:04                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-28 20:27                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-28 20:30                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-02-28 21:30                       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-28 22:55                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-03 19:40                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-03-03 23:00                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-04  1:30                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-03-04 19:13                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-07 18:56                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-03-07 19:07                                     ` H.J. Lu
2022-05-31 11:59                                       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-05-31 16:25                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-05-31 16:36                                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-05-31 17:34                                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-05-31 18:00                                               ` H.J. Lu
2022-06-01 17:27                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-06-01 19:27                                                   ` H.J. Lu
2022-06-01  8:06                                               ` Mike Rapoport
2022-06-01 17:24                                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2022-06-09 18:04                                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-03-07 22:21                                     ` David Laight

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