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From: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@surriel.com,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	david@redhat.com, npache@redhat.com, baohua@kernel.org,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com, rppt@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
	cerasuolodomenico@gmail.com, ryncsn@gmail.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com, Shuang Zhai <zhais@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/6] mm: free zapped tail pages when splitting isolated thp
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 11:21:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ffdf94d-ce3f-4dac-8ed3-0681f98beebf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1d490ab5-5cf8-4c16-65d0-37a62999fcd5@google.com>



On 05/09/2024 09:46, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024, Usama Arif wrote:
> 
>> From: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
>>
>> If a tail page has only two references left, one inherited from the
>> isolation of its head and the other from lru_add_page_tail() which we
>> are about to drop, it means this tail page was concurrently zapped.
>> Then we can safely free it and save page reclaim or migration the
>> trouble of trying it.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
>> Tested-by: Shuang Zhai <zhais@google.com>
>> Acked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
>> Signed-off-by: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
> 
> I'm sorry, but I think this patch (just this 1/6) needs to be dropped:
> it is only an optimization, and unless a persuasive performance case
> can be made to extend it, it ought to go (perhaps revisited later).
> 

I am ok for patch 1 only to be dropped. Patches 2-6 are not dependent on it.

Its an optimization and underused shrinker doesn't depend on it.
Its possible that folio->new_folio below might fix it? But if it doesn't,
I can retry later on to make this work and resend it only if it alone shows
a significant performance improvement.

Thanks a lot for debugging this! and sorry it caused an issue.


> The problem I kept hitting was that all my work, requiring compaction and
> reclaim, got (killably) stuck in or repeatedly calling reclaim_throttle():
> because nr_isolated_anon had grown high - and remained high even when the
> load had all been killed.
> 
> Bisection led to the 2/6 (remap to shared zeropage), but I'd say this 1/6
> is the one to blame. I was intending to send this patch to "fix" it:
> 
> --- a/mm/huge_memory.c
> +++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
> @@ -3295,6 +3295,8 @@ static void __split_huge_page(struct pag
>  			folio_clear_active(new_folio);
>  			folio_clear_unevictable(new_folio);
>  			list_del(&new_folio->lru);
> +			node_stat_sub_folio(folio, NR_ISOLATED_ANON +
> +						folio_is_file_lru(folio));

Maybe this should have been below? (Notice the folio->new_folio)

+			node_stat_sub_folio(new_folio, NR_ISOLATED_ANON +
+						folio_is_file_lru(new_folio));

>  			if (!folio_batch_add(&free_folios, new_folio)) {
>  				mem_cgroup_uncharge_folios(&free_folios);
>  				free_unref_folios(&free_folios);
> 
> And that ran nicely, until I terminated the run and did
> grep nr_isolated /proc/sys/vm/stat_refresh /proc/vmstat
> at the end: stat_refresh kindly left a pr_warn in dmesg to say
> nr_isolated_anon -334013737
> 
> My patch is not good enough. IIUC, some split_huge_pagers (reclaim?)
> know how many pages they isolated and decremented the stats by, and
> increment by that same number at the end; whereas other split_huge_pagers
> (migration?) decrement one by one as they go through the list afterwards.
> 
> I've run out of time (I'm about to take a break): I gave up researching
> who needs what, and was already feeling this optimization does too much
> second guessing of what's needed (and its array of VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIOs
> rather admits to that).
> 
> And I don't think it's as simple as moving the node_stat_sub_folio()
> into 2/6 where the zero pte is substituted: that would probably handle
> the vast majority of cases, but aren't there others which pass the
> folio_ref_freeze(new_folio, 2) test - the title's zapped tail pages,
> or racily truncated now that the folio has been unlocked, for example?
> 
> Hugh



  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-05 10:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-30 10:03 [PATCH v5 0/6] mm: split underused THPs Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] mm: free zapped tail pages when splitting isolated thp Usama Arif
2024-09-05  8:46   ` Hugh Dickins
2024-09-05 10:21     ` Usama Arif [this message]
2024-09-05 18:05       ` Hugh Dickins
2024-09-05 19:24         ` Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] mm: remap unused subpages to shared zeropage " Usama Arif
2024-10-23 16:21   ` Zi Yan
2024-10-23 16:50     ` Usama Arif
2024-10-23 16:55       ` Zi Yan
2024-10-23 16:56       ` Yu Zhao
2025-09-18  8:53   ` Qun-wei Lin (林群崴)
2025-09-18  8:56     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-18 11:42       ` Usama Arif
2025-09-18 11:57         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-18 12:22       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-18 12:25         ` Lance Yang
2025-09-18 12:35         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-19  5:16           ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19  7:55             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-19  8:14               ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 10:53                 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 12:19                   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 12:44                     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-19 13:09                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-19 13:24                       ` Lance Yang
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] mm: selftest to verify zero-filled pages are mapped to zeropage Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] mm: Introduce a pageflag for partially mapped folios Usama Arif
2024-12-11 15:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-12 10:30     ` Usama Arif
2024-12-12 10:49       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] mm: split underused THPs Usama Arif
2024-08-30 10:03 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] mm: add sysfs entry to disable splitting " Usama Arif

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