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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, npiggin@suse.de,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Lockless page cache test results
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:15:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060426191557.GA9211@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604261144290.3701@g5.osdl.org>

On Wed, Apr 26 2006, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Once per page, it's basically exercising the generic_file_splice_read()
> > > path. Basically X number of "clients" open the same file, and fill those
> > > pages into a pipe using splice. The output end of the pipe is then
> > > spliced to /dev/null to toss it away again.
> > 
> > OK.  That doesn't sound like something which a real application is likely
> > to do ;)
> 
> True, but on the other hand, it does kind of "distill" one (small) part of 
> something that real apps _are_ likely to do.
> 
> The whole 'splice to /dev/null' part can be seen as totally irrelevant, 
> but at the same time a way to ignore all the other parts of normal page 
> cache usage (ie the other parts of page cache usage tend to be the "map it 
> into user space" or the actual "memcpy_to/from_user()" or the "TCP send" 
> part).
> 
> The question, of course, is whether the part that remains (the actual page 
> lookup) is important enough to matter, once it is part of a bigger chain 
> in a real application.
> 
> In other words, the splice() thing is just a way to isolate one part of a 
> chain that is usually much more involved, and micro-benchmark just that 
> one part.

Nick called it a find_get_page() micro benchmark, which is pretty might
spot on. So naturally it shows the absolute best side of the lockless
page cache, but that is also very interesting. The /dev/null output can
just be seen as a "infinitely" fast output method, both from a
throughput and light weight POV.

> It would be interesting to see where doing gang-lookup moves the target, 
> but on the other hand, with smaller files (and small files are still 
> common), gang lookup isn't going to help as much.

With a 16-page gang lookup in splice, the top profile for the 4-client
case (which is now at 4GiB/sec instead of 3) are:

samples  %        symbol name
30396    36.7217  __do_page_cache_readahead
25843    31.2212  find_get_pages_contig
9699     11.7174  default_idle

Even disregarding that readahead contender that could probably be made a
little more clever, we are still spending an awful lot of time in the
page lookup. I didn't mention this before, but the get_page/put_page
overhead is also a lot smaller with the lockless patches.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-26 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-26 13:53 Lockless page cache test results Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 14:43 ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 19:46   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  5:39     ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-04-27  6:07       ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  6:15       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-27  7:51         ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-04-26 16:55 ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 17:42   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 18:10     ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 18:23       ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 18:46         ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 19:21           ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  5:58           ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 18:34       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-26 18:47         ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-26 18:48           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-26 18:49           ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 20:31             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-28 14:01               ` David Chinner
2006-04-28 14:10                 ` David Chinner
2006-04-30  9:49                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-30 11:20                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-30 11:39                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-30 11:44                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 18:58       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-26 19:02         ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-26 19:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-26 19:15         ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2006-04-26 20:12           ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-27  7:45             ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  7:47               ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  7:57               ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  8:02                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  9:00                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27 13:36                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27  8:36                 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]             ` <20060428112835.GA8072@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-04-28 11:28               ` Wu Fengguang
2006-04-27  5:49         ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-27 15:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-28  4:54             ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-28  5:34               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-27  9:35         ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  5:22       ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-26 18:57     ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27  2:19       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-04-27  8:03         ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27 11:16           ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-27 11:41             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-04-27 11:45               ` Jens Axboe
2006-04-28  9:10 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-28  9:21   ` Jens Axboe

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