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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	npiggin@suse.de, mingo@elte.hu, jschopp@austin.ibm.com,
	arjan@infradead.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	mbligh@mbligh.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:23:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302102315.e0728a42.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703021012170.17676@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:15:36 -0800 (PST)
Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > > One particular case is a 32GB system with a database that takes most
> > > of memory.  The amount of actually freeable page cache memory is in
> > > the hundreds of MB.
> > 
> > Where's the rest of the memory? tmpfs?  mlocked?  hugetlb?
> 
> The memory is likely in use but there is enough memory free in unmapped 
> clean pagecache pages so that we occasionally are able to free pages. Then 
> the app is reading more from disk replenishing that ...
> Thus we are forever cycling through the LRU lists moving pages between 
> the lists aging etc etc. Can lead to a livelock.

Guys, with this level of detail thses problems will never be fixed.

> > > A third scenario is where a system has way more RAM than swap, and not
> > > a whole lot of freeable page cache.  In this case, the VM ends up
> > > spending WAY too much CPU time scanning and shuffling around essentially
> > > unswappable anonymous memory and tmpfs files.
> > 
> > Well we've allegedly fixed that, but it isn't going anywhere without
> > testing.
> 
> We have fixed the case in which we compile the kernel without swap. Then 
> anonymous pages behave like mlocked pages. Did we do more than that?

oh yeah, we took the ran-out-of-swapcache code out.  But if we're going to
do this thing, we should find some way to bring it back.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-02 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-01 10:12 The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches Mel Gorman
2007-03-02  0:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  0:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  1:52     ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  3:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  3:59         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  5:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  5:50             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  6:15               ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 17:01                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:20             ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:07               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:35                 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 18:02                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 19:02                     ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 18:45                 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 23:58                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02  4:18         ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  5:13         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06  4:16         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-02 16:58     ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:05     ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05  3:21       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 15:20         ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 16:01           ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 16:45             ` Joel Schopp
2007-05-03  8:49           ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-03-02  1:39   ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02  2:34   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02  3:05   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  3:57     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  4:06       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:21         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  4:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:06             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:40               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  5:49                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  5:53                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:08                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:19                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  6:29                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  6:51                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  7:03                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  7:19                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  7:44                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  8:12                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02  8:21                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  8:38                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 17:09                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-04  1:26                                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04  1:51                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04  1:58                                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02  5:50               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:29         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:33           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02  4:58             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02  4:20       ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 13:50   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-02 15:29   ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 16:58     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:09       ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:23       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:35         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:43           ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 18:06             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:15               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 18:23                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-03-02 18:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 19:31                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 19:40                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:12                   ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:19                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:52                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:03                         ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:22                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:34                             ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:51                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-03-02 22:54                                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 23:28                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03  0:24                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:52                               ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-02 22:59                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 23:20                                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03  1:40                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  1:58                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  3:55                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  0:33                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03  0:54                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03  3:15                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03  4:19                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 17:16                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 17:50                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 20:59               ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02  1:52 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 10:38   ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:31     ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 21:37       ` Bill Irwin

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