From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Bill Irwin <bill.irwin@oracle.com>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>,
Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
npiggin@suse.de, mingo@elte.hu, jschopp@austin.ibm.com,
arjan@infradead.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:24:30 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302162430.27489cec.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45E8B32B.4050903@mbligh.org>
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:28:43 -0800
"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org> wrote:
> >>> 32GB is pretty much the minimum size to reproduce some of these
> >>> problems. Some workloads may need larger systems to easily trigger
> >>> them.
> >>
> >> We can find a 32GB system here pretty easily to test things on if
> >> need be. Setting up large commercial databases is much harder.
> >
> > That's my problem, too.
> >
> > There does not seem to exist any single set of test cases that
> > accurately predicts how the VM will behave with customer
> > workloads.
>
> Tracing might help? Showing Andrew traces of what happened in
> production for the prev_priority change made it much easier to
> demonstrate and explain the real problem ...
>
Tracing is one way.
The other way is the old scientific method:
- develop a theory
- add sufficient instrumentation to prove or disprove that theory
- run workload, crunch on numbers
- repeat
Of course, multiple theories can be proven/disproven in a single pass.
Practically, this means adding one new /prov/vmstat entry for each `goto
keep*' in shrink_page_list(). And more instrumentation in
shrink_active_list() to determine the behaviour of swap_tendency.
Once that process is finished, we should have a thorough understanding of
what the problem is. We can then construct a testcase (it'll be a couple
hundred lines only) and use that testcase to determine what implementation
changes are needed, and whether it actually worked.
Then go back to the real workload, verify that it's still fixed.
Then do whitebox testing of other workloads to check that they haven't
regressed.
--
To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM,
see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ .
Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-03 0:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-01 10:12 The performance and behaviour of the anti-fragmentation related patches Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 0:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 1:52 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 3:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 3:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 5:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 5:50 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02 6:15 ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:20 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:07 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:35 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 18:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 19:02 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 18:45 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-02 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 23:58 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-02 4:18 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 5:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-06 4:16 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-03-02 16:58 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:05 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 3:21 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 15:20 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-05 16:01 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-05 16:45 ` Joel Schopp
2007-05-03 8:49 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-03-02 1:39 ` Balbir Singh
2007-03-02 2:34 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-03-02 3:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 3:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 4:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:21 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 4:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 5:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 5:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 5:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 5:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 6:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 6:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 6:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 6:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 7:03 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 7:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 7:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 8:12 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 8:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 8:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-02 17:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-04 1:26 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-04 1:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-04 1:58 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 5:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 4:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 4:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 4:20 ` Paul Mundt
2007-03-02 13:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-02 15:29 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 16:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:09 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 17:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 17:35 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:43 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 18:06 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 18:23 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 18:23 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 19:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 19:40 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:12 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 21:19 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:03 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 22:34 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 22:51 ` Martin Bligh
2007-03-02 22:54 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-02 23:28 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 0:24 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-03-02 22:52 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-02 22:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 23:20 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-03 1:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 1:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 3:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 0:33 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 0:54 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 3:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-03 4:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-03 17:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-03-03 17:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-03-02 20:59 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 1:52 ` Bill Irwin
2007-03-02 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2007-03-02 16:31 ` Joel Schopp
2007-03-02 21:37 ` Bill Irwin
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20070302162430.27489cec.akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--to=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=arjan@infradead.org \
--cc=bill.irwin@oracle.com \
--cc=clameter@engr.sgi.com \
--cc=jschopp@austin.ibm.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=mbligh@mbligh.org \
--cc=mel@skynet.ie \
--cc=mingo@elte.hu \
--cc=npiggin@suse.de \
--cc=riel@redhat.com \
--cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).