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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, shai@scalex86.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] [patch] mm: zone_reclaim fix for pseudo file systems
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:27:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070730192721.eb220a9d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707301858280.26859@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, Ravikiran G Thirumalai wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 05:27:41PM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > >
> > >> The problem is that __zone_reclaim() doesn't use all_unreclaimable at all.
> > >> You'll note that all the other callers of shrink_zone() do take avoiding
> > >> action if the zone is in all_unreclaimable state, but __zone_reclaim() forgot
> > >> to.
> > >
> > >zone reclaim only runs if there are unmapped file backed pages that can be 
> > >reclaimed. 
> > 
> > Yes, and in this case, without the patch, VM considers RAMFS pages to be
> > file backed, thus being fooled into entering reclaim.  The process entering
> > into reclaim in our tests gets in through zone_reclaim.

Oh.. So this:

	/*
	 * Zone reclaim reclaims unmapped file backed pages and
	 * slab pages if we are over the defined limits.
	 *
	 * A small portion of unmapped file backed pages is needed for
	 * file I/O otherwise pages read by file I/O will be immediately
	 * thrown out if the zone is overallocated. So we do not reclaim
	 * if less than a specified percentage of the zone is used by
	 * unmapped file backed pages.
	 */
	if (zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_PAGES) -
	    zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_MAPPED) <= zone->min_unmapped_pages
	    && zone_page_state(zone, NR_SLAB_RECLAIMABLE)
			<= zone->min_slab_pages)
		return 0;

is being fooled.

That makes sense, but any fix we do here won't fix things for regular
reclaim.

Sigh, I should have spotted that bug on day one - it's pretty gross.  Too
many patches, too little akpm.

> That means RAMFS pages are accounted as NR_FILE_PAGES but not as 
> NR_FILE_MAPPED..... So we have unmapped pages that are not reclaimable.
> 
> But they are not really file backed pages. They are backed by memory. Can 
> we just not increment NR_FILE_MAPPED? Should they not be accounted for an 
> NR_ANON_PAGES or so?

Or we change NR_FILE_MAPPED accounting so that it doesn't account
BDI_CAP_foo pages, where foo is, I guess, NO_WRITEBACK.

We're going to create a mess here, I can feel it.  Please, ignore "what works".
What is _right_ here?  What is our design?  Our guiding principle?  Because we
already have a mess.

Straw man proposal:

- account file-backed pages, BDI_CAP_NO_ACCT_DIRTY pages and
  BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK separately.  ie: zone accounting pretty
  much follows the BDI_CAP_ selectors.

- work out, then document what those BDI_CAP_* things actually _mean_.  ie:
  which sorts of callers should set them, and why.

- do the appropriate arith at reclaim-time.


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-31  2:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-27 23:27 [rfc] [patch] mm: zone_reclaim fix for pseudo file systems Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2007-07-30 18:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-30 20:23 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-30 20:31   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-30 21:12     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-07-31  0:01   ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2007-07-31  0:20     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31  0:27       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  1:06         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31  1:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  1:56         ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2007-07-31  2:01           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  2:27             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-07-31  2:36               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  4:47                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31  5:00                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  5:17                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31  5:33                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  5:58                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31  6:09                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  6:18                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31 19:35                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31 19:46                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31 19:50                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  8:27                           ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2007-07-31  8:35                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31 19:30                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31 19:20                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  7:15                     ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2007-07-31 19:18                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  1:36       ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2007-07-31  1:53         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-31  1:56           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-07-31  2:19 ` Christoph Lameter

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