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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, dkegel@google.com,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:32:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070821003212.GC8414@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708201210440.29092@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 12:15:01PM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> > > > <> What Christoph is proposing is doing recursive reclaim and not
> > > > initiating writeout. This will only work _IFF_ there are clean pages
> > > > about. Which in the general case need not be true (memory might be
> > > > packed with anonymous pages - consider an MPI cluster doing computation
> > > > stuff). So this gets us a workload dependant solution - which IMHO is
> > > > bad!
> > > 
> > > Although you will quite likely have at least a couple of MB worth of
> > > clean program text. The important part of recursive reclaim is that it
> > > doesn't so easily allow reclaim to blow all memory reserves (including
> > > interrupt context). Sure you still have theoretical deadlocks, but if
> > > I understand correctly, they are going to be lessened. I would be
> > > really interested to see if even just these recursive reclaim patches
> > > eliminate the problem in practice.
> > 
> > were we much bothered by the buffered write deadlock? - why accept a
> > known deadlock if a solid solution is quite attainable?
> 
> Buffered write deadlock? How does that exactly occur? Memory allocation in 
> the writeout path while we hold locks?

Different topic. Peter was talking about the write(2) write deadlock
where we take a page fault while holding a page lock (which leads to
lock inversion, taking the lock twice etc.)

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-21  0:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 14:21 [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC) Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 1/3] Allow reclaim via __GFP_NOMEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 2/3] Use NOMEMALLOC reclaim to allow reclaim if PF_MEMALLOC is set Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:21 ` [RFC 3/3] Test code for PF_MEMALLOC reclaim Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 14:36 ` [RFC 0/3] Recursive reclaim (on __PF_MEMALLOC) Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 15:29   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 19:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-14 19:41       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15 12:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-15 13:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-15 14:15     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-15 13:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-15 14:34         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-15 20:32         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15 20:29     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  3:29     ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 20:27       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20  3:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20 19:15         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-21  0:32           ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-08-21  0:28         ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-21 15:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-23  3:02             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 22:39           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05  9:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-05 10:42   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05 11:42     ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-05 12:14       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-05 12:19         ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-10 19:29           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 19:41               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 20:17                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:48                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-11  7:41             ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 10:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-12 22:47           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13  8:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-13 18:32               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 19:24                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-05 16:16     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-08  5:12       ` Mike Snitzer
2007-09-18  0:28         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18  3:27           ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]             ` <200709172211.26493.phillips@phunq.net>
2007-09-18  8:11               ` Wouter Verhelst
2007-09-18  9:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18 16:56                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18 19:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18  9:30             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-18 18:40             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-09-18 20:13               ` Mike Snitzer
2007-09-10 19:25       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 19:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-10 20:22           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:48             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-26 17:44               ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-26 17:55                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-27 22:58                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-10-27 23:08                 ` Daniel Phillips

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